Spoilers A big hint about the finale/season 3 has dropped...
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If Discovery jumps to the 28th century you can pretty much guarantee it will be a version of it where the Federation won't have much of a presence, otherwise it would undermine the entire point of the Discovery needing to be there to solve the over-arcing dilemma of the season (and I agree that it's probably just going to be a season long arc rather than a permanent state of affairs). If there's a super-powerful galaxy-spanning Federation that has united with the Klingons and other local empires and that routinely conducts time travel research and policing missions than Discovery would be little more than an interesting historical curiosity to them, not a savior. For the premise to work the presence of Discovery has to upset the balance of power in some way and represent a significant development in that corner of the galaxy, otherwise what's the point?
The future Federation, if it exists at all, may have become corrupted by intervening events and will eventually become the V'draysh that Craft's humans from Alcor are fighting against hundreds of years later in the 33rd Century. So it would be interesting to see Discovery as the representative of the old ways of the Federation fighting against a newer corrupted version and trying to relocate/save Craft's people's early refugees or colonists.
Perhaps they come up with some sort of modification of the Control AI that's less murdery and that becomes the framework for the Zora AI and we get an explanation for why they parked the ship in that region of space to be recovered at a later date.
Since it's all in an undetermined future it can all be re-written by future shows as needed, so there's no need for the continuity gatekeepers to get upset that the Federation has fallen or is acting corrupt or evil.
The future Federation, if it exists at all, may have become corrupted by intervening events and will eventually become the V'draysh that Craft's humans from Alcor are fighting against hundreds of years later in the 33rd Century. So it would be interesting to see Discovery as the representative of the old ways of the Federation fighting against a newer corrupted version and trying to relocate/save Craft's people's early refugees or colonists.
Perhaps they come up with some sort of modification of the Control AI that's less murdery and that becomes the framework for the Zora AI and we get an explanation for why they parked the ship in that region of space to be recovered at a later date.
Since it's all in an undetermined future it can all be re-written by future shows as needed, so there's no need for the continuity gatekeepers to get upset that the Federation has fallen or is acting corrupt or evil.
Pike on Talos IV: Beep?
Future Pike: Hi! I'm from even further in the future where the Federation stopped working on bigger and badder weapons and actually did futuristic medical research! I'm walking and talking! I came back in time to give you a heads up, tomorrow Starfleet Medical will fly over to pick you and Vina up and completely cure you both. Sound good?
Pike: Beep!
I think it depends on how it is handled. If the galaxy outside of Control exists in some kind of technological dark age, it could be interesting.
See, I always thought that Menagerie's framing story was mediocre, but now with a little backstory it makes more sense and has better emotional impact.
I like the sequels and Rebels well enough, but i never read any of that previous expanded universe stuff (well, other than the Solo books from the 80s, and I'm not sure if they even counted*), so had no preconceived notions to hamper my enjoyment.
* = plus Splinter in the Mind's Eye, which definitely doesn't, lol
Um... no offense but have you spent much time on Star Wars forums? Because I've been a member for over a decade on theforce.net's boards as sidv88, and yes they do make just as much of a fuss if not more so. Including around "children's" shows (which were actually quite violent).
Depending on writers and producers to pull this off, are we? I'm hoping for the best, but am not holding my breath...
Pike on Talos IV: Beep?
Future Pike: Hi! I'm from even further in the future where the Federation stopped working on bigger and badder weapons and actually did futuristic medical research! I'm walking and talking! I came back in time to give you a heads up, tomorrow Starfleet Medical will fly over to pick you and Vina up and completely cure you both. Sound good?
Pike: Beep!
Well, that would be far more entertaining.
Depends on if they actually go with what is known about the 28th century or not. If they do, well, then, bigger, badder weapons. If not, yeah, I'd be okay with a dark age. I just don't see that happening.
Page 4 for first mention of Star Wars in a Trek forum. You guys are slipping, I was expecting it on page 2
Yeah. How long until The O..... oh, I nearly went there myself.
I would argue it's worse than Star Trek because since the start of the Trek franchise 50 years ago, Trek fans already knew ahead of time that non-filmed works weren't canon.
In Star Wars, EVERYTHING was canon until the Great Disney Reboot of 2014, meaning that for 5 years of Clone Wars seasons we had fans griping not only how the kids' show didn't fit with the movies, but also on how it didn't fit with some obscure novel or comic book (Republic comic books, the Star Wars Obsession miniseries being overwritten, Coruscant Nights books, etc.) from years ago.
Eh. We seem to know the Federation from the 29th Century (from Voyager) and Daniel's time period is pretty bright and sunny. But there's no reason within continuity the Federation couldn't have taken a dark turn during the 28th century.
Not sure what hopping galaxies gets us. I mean, Voyager went to the Delta Quadrant, and found more of the same.
I suppose one could argue since humanoids are only common in the Milky Way due to the ancient humanoids, if they jumped to Andromeda or something we'd have all non-humanoid aliens. But beyond that, what would you do with it that was different?
Prequels are not super limiting, as long as you're willing to have a show with reasonable stakes.
I mean, look at TOS. It was a show with relatively low stakes on the whole. Kirk was just a captain, and repeatedly outranked by commodores, admirals, etc. The Enterprise was one of 12 ships of its class. They basically just dealt with episodic adventures on a "planetary" scale. The Klingon and Romulan baddies we meet are all captains and commanders. They saved the Earth a handful of times, but mostly they were just out to solve a smaller-scale problem, or save the ship.
A series like this could fit into existing Trek continuity anywhere, it's the desire to "go big" and have these epic plots where Earth is threatened (not just in Discovery, but in Enterprise too) which screw up the timeline.
This is a great point. As I said, while we know the Federation is sunny and awesome again by Daniels' time period, there's no reason it can't go through a dark period of decline between then and the 24th century. Maybe Discovery was actually the ship which helped to restore the Federation to being the premier power in region.
Just a bit ago you were all for the approach of trying something spectacular even at the risk of failing. Now you're doing a 180 on that. No pleasing some people!
Daniels shows us time travelling archaeologists studying the construction of the Pyramids at Giza who are from the 28th century. That doesn't suggest a dark age. Plus the V'draysh exist in the 33rd century, Gabrielle is stuck in a lifeless 32nd century (except for Terralysium), Daniels comes from a prosperous 31st century. Also the Backup Module Doctor should be hanging around sometime here. Plus Zora explicitly stated she was waiting around for a millennium, so Discovery has to end up back in its native time period at some point so it can be set adrift.
It makes more sense, and is frankly easier to fit into canon, that this is going to be one of those stories where the time traveler needs to experience the "bad" future first in order to make the changes necessary to have the "good" future happen in the first place. Another loop.
Different strokes. TOS is my favorite Trek series, ever. But, I love how Discovery has expanded and added to some aspects of TOS. Truly added value.
What, just because it's grimderp there can't be archaeologists? People engaged in archaeology during World War 2 after all.
The point of going to the future isn't about the tech. It's really about opening up the stories they can tell. They're less restricted by canon. You won't have the people saying you can't do this or that because we know it didn't happen.
That's actually the reason why before the Discovery premise was announced, I thought it was going to be post Nemesis. It allows them to change things up, such as the power structure of the galaxy. But, they didn't go that route. Maybe they are now?
As of now, these are just rumors and I wouldn't put much stock into them. Even if they time jump, it might be temporary.
It doesn't make sense for Federation archaeologists to be gallivanting through time while the Federation is in a period of decline, especially if Control is still mucking about. See my edit, its too messy to have the 28th century that the Discovery ends up in be the "correct" timeline.
I would agree. Which makes this rumor all the more troubling to me.
