The irony is thick.
Spoilers A big hint about the finale/season 3 has dropped...
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So fucking what?
SAAVIK: It's time for total truth between us. This planet is not what you intended, or hoped for, is it?
DAVID: Not exactly.
SAAVIK: Why?
DAVID: I used protomatter in the Genesis matrix.
SAAVIK: Protomatter. An unstable substance which every ethical scientist in the galaxy has denounced as dangerously unpredictable.
DAVID: But it was the only way to solve certain problems.
SAAVIK: So, like your father, you changed the rules.
DAVID: If I hadn't, it might have been years, ...or never!
Apparently it was never. The instability was specifically stated to be due protomatter, not due the method the device was used, nor was there known way to make the thing without the protomatter. This inane obsession of comparing a tech that was shown to work to a tech that was not shown to work is really tiresome.
The Thermians are on the loose.
Well, that escalated quickly.
Calm down.
Is that what happened with American Gods? Because the second season is great, but took forever for them to make.
Which means something else will have to invalidate them.
Because they killed the one guy they had that knew how to create it. (David)
And they never got the plans for it cause Khan beat everybody to the Regula-1 Lab, stole them and then destroyed everything when he blew up the Reliant with the ONLY working device left.
(BTW: Khan also killed everybody that had any details about the device except Carol and Chekov)
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Fuller was fired from that show before season two was made.
So basically they need the same to happen to the spore driveBecause they killed the one guy they had that knew how to create it.
And they never got the plans for it cause Khan beat them to them and then destroyed them.
Thank you. I didn't know if he'd left or if he got fired.
No, because that would be a mere hindrance, not eliminate it completely. And as I have already said repeatedly, this was not the reason the Genesis device was not replicated, it was never successfully built in the first place.
Except it's not really the same, Star Fleet most likely has a complete idea of how to create the Spore Drive Mechanics, they just don't have a morally legal way yet, to duplicate Stamets.
And one would imagine that said mechanical plans are very much Top Secret and not part of any computer archive beyond Section-31 and maybe the main archives of Star Fleet.
(though Cornwell may have had those deleted at this point as well)
Now whether CONTROL is aware of the plans is another matter.
(but I doubt IT will be sharing that info with anybody)
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The Genesis Device WAS built at least TWICE that we know of.
One to successfully create the inside of that abandoned moon and a second that Khan stole.
Now whether or not the second one was successful, is a completely different matter for debate.
Stamets has Tartigrade DNA in him, genetic manipulation technically. For whatever Technobabble Reason, I guess only something that's at least partially Tartigrade can operate it. And Starfleet isn't in the business of asking its officers to undergo genetic manipulation, normally. I took Cornwell complaining about it to Lorca in the first season as basically a big, fat, "We're not doing this again." They even tried to curb Lorca from taking so much of the slack because they didn't want to depend on just Discovery to fight the Klingons. Maybe possibly because of how they accomplished using the Spore Drive but also because once they had it, they didn't want to lose their prize possession.
And yeah, Genesis was a failure. But the Spore Drive, while technically not a failure, comes with all kinds of "Yeah, but..." situations. I can't imagine Starfleet is too thrilled about Stamets hooking himself up to power the Spore Drive.
They have to get spores from a specific planet. Or spores from a limited location. If an enemy wipes out all those spores, Discovery is limited to ones they have onboard the ship if they can't find them anywhere else or are unable to replicate them.
And yeah, Genesis was a failure. But the Spore Drive, while technically not a failure, comes with all kinds of "Yeah, but..." situations. I can't imagine Starfleet is too thrilled about Stamets hooking himself up to power the Spore Drive.
They have to get spores from a specific planet. Or spores from a limited location. If an enemy wipes out all those spores, Discovery is limited to ones they have onboard the ship if they can't find them anywhere else or are unable to replicate them.
Plus it would be illegal.
That’s why the admiral ordered the drive to be shut down at the end of Season 1. To find ways to use it without a biological pilot.
Successfully built = actually works.????
The Genesis Device WAS built at least TWICE that we know of.
One to successfully create the inside of that abandoned moon and a second that Khan stole.
Now whether or not the second one was successful, is a completely different matter for debate.
Correct....
And the First device successfully created the apparently stable Genesis Cavern out of the inner guts of the Regula Moon.
While the Second, successfully created an unstable Partial Solar System out of the Mutara Nebula.
Only one device was used correctly, but both substantially created the desired final outcome.
We don't know if the Genesis Cavern would have eventually gone the same way as the Planet, but it apparently had been stable for some time according to the conversation that we were given between Carol and Kirk.
David's calculations for the second device were based on it being used on a dead planet, not a massive nebula.
So we don't actually know if it would have worked accordingly or not.
With him (and just about everybody else that worked on the project) gone, it's probably a moot point.
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I certainly wouldn't consider the second use of the device a success! Whether the cave was stable in long term we do not know. If protomatter was used, then probably not. Though if it worked in small scale, then perhaps it is used to help terraforming in TNG era. We know that they can terraform planets, but the exact methods have never been discussed.
Didn't this all get hashed out in the "Cool with Q" thread? I'm getting deja q.
