The Casting of this series is extremely bad
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Huh. I feel almost exactly the opposite. I feel he nails it as Spock, and casts Quinto's shortcomings in the part (which I've always felt were minor) in stark relief.
Quinto was trying too hard to emulate nimoys performance and didn't capture any of nimoys subtlety. Peck I think has that subtlety in the bag and it's clear that he's putting his own spin on the character whilst echoing the best parts of nimoys performance.
Also peck is a hotter than Quinto. So there.
Also peck is a hotter than Quinto. So there.
I like them both...
I love both Quinto and Peck's Spock, but I can't say either one really capture the character as well as I'd like, as both seem to inject a lot more emotion into it than Nimoy ever did. They always play things a lot more intense and serious, where Nimoy often had an aloofness about him and even a sense of bemusement in many situations.
I realize in the case of Peck this is supposed to be an earlier version of the character though. And he does have that deeper voice which helps a lot and is far less distracting than Quinto's.
I realize in the case of Peck this is supposed to be an earlier version of the character though. And he does have that deeper voice which helps a lot and is far less distracting than Quinto's.
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This man listened to Spock's suggestion to "CHECK THE CIRCUIT!"
That is the most 1970s thing to 1970s in the history of 1970s-ing. Funktastic.
I've always thought that bemusement was essential to the character, and what makes Spock so much more likable than most Vulcans.
Agree on Peck, though. I like what he's doing.
That scene would have been a whole lot better if he had chosen both of them.This man listened to Spock's suggestion to "CHECK THE CIRCUIT!"
I saw Quinto on 24 before he was on Heroes so that made no impact on me at all.
Spock is working on that...the emotional thing.
He's hoping to have those emotions under control in about 8 or 9 years.
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Having seen him in Heroes, I did think at the time that Quinto cast as Spock seemed very spot on myself. I did see Spock in Quinto's Sylar.
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I know that I really wanted to see new Trek, but I think I’d be honest with my self if I had issues with the cast. I remember my first responses to TNG’s Data and Riker, back 32 years ago. I had to warm up to the characters and the cast.
I have no issues with this cast, but, perhaps, I’m just being patient.
I have no issues with this cast, but, perhaps, I’m just being patient.
I’ve loved Peck since he guest stared on Madam Secretary. Was genuinely thrilled to see him cast as Spock and I feel he’s been doing a great job. However, if they plan on keeping his character around, there’s a lot of growth that needs to happen and the storyline’s and acting need to play out as such, not just DSC Spock one day and then TOS Spock the next, so to speak.
I actually think the casting has been spot on for DSC. I like that they are doing their own thing and not following tradition. Not having the main character as Captain has added an element of freedom with where they can take her.
I actually think the casting has been spot on for DSC. I like that they are doing their own thing and not following tradition. Not having the main character as Captain has added an element of freedom with where they can take her.
Lorca was my favorite from season 1 and they killed him off. I don't give a whit about Burnham, Saru or the rest of them. I'm only watching season 2 for Pike and Spock, and when they're (possibly) removed for season 3, I have no interest in watching the crew of Discovery. Just my luck the first Trek in years is filled with characters I don't like. Maybe I'll have better luck with the various upcoming series, but this bunch I don't have any interest in what happens to them.
Same here. Sylar was a whole different level of character for me. His Spock works very well for me.
Sylar is a pussycat compared to Quinto's character in American Horror Story: Asylum. That's some real scary sh-- er - stuff.
I find the casting in this series is excellent. From the protagonist to the secondary characters, they are all good and I don't think it's because I have low standards ^
I cannot complain.
Thing is though, many forget that Nimoy's Spock was more emotional than how he is remembered now but he also looked very serious. He had that sort of resting bitch face, lol, where it seemed he was very often irritated by people.
He is intimidating, but below that cold facade there is a good guy with a gentle heart.
Honestly, when I saw Peck the first time he didn't make me think about Nimoy at all, but he gave me strong Zachary Quinto vibes as if they more or less cast someone who could convingly play a younger version of his Spock.
Saved for the fact they are both hot (though you could argue Spock wasn't a conventionally hot guy and being hot wasn't the point, though it certaintly doesn't hurt?), the rest is subjective because I, for one, feel the complete opposite.
In my opinion, Peck is (as expected) trying to emulate Nimoy more ( hence he said he watched the episodes and read the books etc) without that much of the subtlety that makes Spock the dorky, effortlessly sassy man I love.
Quinto did that better (his eyes often add emotion that is at odds with his face looking all serious and impassible. He also had that layer of bemusement that I loved about Nimoy too), but added his own spin on the character because that was, well, the purpose of his version.
I mean, you got Nimoy himself saying that he liked Quinto's version so much because it was Spock but he also added new things to him that made him pause and think he wouldn't have thought about doing that himself, but it was brilliant. It made him re-discover Spock and think about how he would be nowadays if he was written as a more contemporary character. Quinto mentioned that in "For the love of Spock' too: his Spock was purposely different and together with Nimoy and JJ, they wanted to blurry the lines between logic and emotion making the character new and unpredictable too.
His voice also is just fine for me. Not like Nimoy's exactly (just like the rest of the actors), but no less effective (and sexy) and 'Spockese'. The audio book he did of the st09 novelization was just brilliant.
In all honesty, while I can agree they are dealing with different writing, I think Peck's version is a tad more like Kelvin Spock than the original character, anyway (for one, Kurtzman is involved for both and of course, you are going to use the newest trek iteration as a template more than stuff made in the 60s) .
in light of that, it seems a bit ironic that those who disliked kelvin Spock because he's different and emotional not only don't have the same complains for Discovery Spock now, but actually praise Peck or give him credit as if, somehow, he is the first guy who tried to add something different to the character by making him..more emotional.
And let's not forget that, after all, it's Quinto the one who is playing a younger Spock from a different reality so it seems weird to specifically nitpick about his take only or expect him to be more like Nimoy's version.
It also seems like some of you are painting yourself into a corner by claiming that Quinto is fail because he's too much like Nimoy but then he also is fail because he isn't copying him, while Peck is more like him but he isn't trying to be like him but he also is trying to be more like the original so he's better because of that. If it sounds confusing that's because it is, lol!
For me, Peck's take, just like Quinto, IS a reboot too.
If you prefer one over the other perhaps it's just a preference based on liking the actor or the story he is given more, but it might have little to do with who impersonates Nimoy better or who is 'Spock' more as they both try their best respecting the character and emulating those aspects that make him Spock, but they still do their thing because they are asked to do that. Besides, I want to remind some people that they aren't playing Nimoy into a biopic about him.
Maybe the mistake of the creative team is this, once again, giving false promises and encouraging the delusion that the character will be still the same when, frankly, it doesn't make sense for either version to become like the character we see in tos without that feeling like an involution of sorts for me.
But then again, it seems like some forget that original Spock wasn't a character who had resolved his conflict yet. It seems reductive and out of touch with the reality of his story to make it seems young Spock must be flawed because he's more in touch with his emotions while the one played by Nimoy is the perfect guy who finally found his real self. It wasn't like that, but I have a feeling some fans didn't want Nimoy's Spock to evolve beyond a role they want to give him and to the extent of pretending he was always the same through the series and movies. It doesn't help, also, that IMO many really only see him in function of Kirk and thus his fanon 'role' in the original trio. Spock is popular, beloved, iconic..but discussions about the character tend to be, in my experience, very limited.
People only remember that Sylar was a serial killer but thing is, it was one who, at times, made you doubt he was just evil for the sake of being evil. At times, he seemed good or like a bad guy who could get redeemed if only he got a chance.
The point is, there was a duality in the way Zach portrayed him that I thought would be very useful for playing Spock too, and I think that's what jj&co also saw.
The character =/= the actor. Ultimately, it's about acting skills and a lot of great actors show that through playing villains.
I cannot complain.
Thing is though, many forget that Nimoy's Spock was more emotional than how he is remembered now but he also looked very serious. He had that sort of resting bitch face, lol, where it seemed he was very often irritated by people.
He is intimidating, but below that cold facade there is a good guy with a gentle heart.
Honestly, when I saw Peck the first time he didn't make me think about Nimoy at all, but he gave me strong Zachary Quinto vibes as if they more or less cast someone who could convingly play a younger version of his Spock.
Saved for the fact they are both hot (though you could argue Spock wasn't a conventionally hot guy and being hot wasn't the point, though it certaintly doesn't hurt?), the rest is subjective because I, for one, feel the complete opposite.
In my opinion, Peck is (as expected) trying to emulate Nimoy more ( hence he said he watched the episodes and read the books etc) without that much of the subtlety that makes Spock the dorky, effortlessly sassy man I love.
Quinto did that better (his eyes often add emotion that is at odds with his face looking all serious and impassible. He also had that layer of bemusement that I loved about Nimoy too), but added his own spin on the character because that was, well, the purpose of his version.
I mean, you got Nimoy himself saying that he liked Quinto's version so much because it was Spock but he also added new things to him that made him pause and think he wouldn't have thought about doing that himself, but it was brilliant. It made him re-discover Spock and think about how he would be nowadays if he was written as a more contemporary character. Quinto mentioned that in "For the love of Spock' too: his Spock was purposely different and together with Nimoy and JJ, they wanted to blurry the lines between logic and emotion making the character new and unpredictable too.
His voice also is just fine for me. Not like Nimoy's exactly (just like the rest of the actors), but no less effective (and sexy) and 'Spockese'. The audio book he did of the st09 novelization was just brilliant.
In all honesty, while I can agree they are dealing with different writing, I think Peck's version is a tad more like Kelvin Spock than the original character, anyway (for one, Kurtzman is involved for both and of course, you are going to use the newest trek iteration as a template more than stuff made in the 60s) .
in light of that, it seems a bit ironic that those who disliked kelvin Spock because he's different and emotional not only don't have the same complains for Discovery Spock now, but actually praise Peck or give him credit as if, somehow, he is the first guy who tried to add something different to the character by making him..more emotional.
And let's not forget that, after all, it's Quinto the one who is playing a younger Spock from a different reality so it seems weird to specifically nitpick about his take only or expect him to be more like Nimoy's version.
It also seems like some of you are painting yourself into a corner by claiming that Quinto is fail because he's too much like Nimoy but then he also is fail because he isn't copying him, while Peck is more like him but he isn't trying to be like him but he also is trying to be more like the original so he's better because of that. If it sounds confusing that's because it is, lol!
For me, Peck's take, just like Quinto, IS a reboot too.
If you prefer one over the other perhaps it's just a preference based on liking the actor or the story he is given more, but it might have little to do with who impersonates Nimoy better or who is 'Spock' more as they both try their best respecting the character and emulating those aspects that make him Spock, but they still do their thing because they are asked to do that. Besides, I want to remind some people that they aren't playing Nimoy into a biopic about him.
Maybe the mistake of the creative team is this, once again, giving false promises and encouraging the delusion that the character will be still the same when, frankly, it doesn't make sense for either version to become like the character we see in tos without that feeling like an involution of sorts for me.
But then again, it seems like some forget that original Spock wasn't a character who had resolved his conflict yet. It seems reductive and out of touch with the reality of his story to make it seems young Spock must be flawed because he's more in touch with his emotions while the one played by Nimoy is the perfect guy who finally found his real self. It wasn't like that, but I have a feeling some fans didn't want Nimoy's Spock to evolve beyond a role they want to give him and to the extent of pretending he was always the same through the series and movies. It doesn't help, also, that IMO many really only see him in function of Kirk and thus his fanon 'role' in the original trio. Spock is popular, beloved, iconic..but discussions about the character tend to be, in my experience, very limited.
It was watching him play Sylar that made me think he'd be a good Spock way before they cast him.
People only remember that Sylar was a serial killer but thing is, it was one who, at times, made you doubt he was just evil for the sake of being evil. At times, he seemed good or like a bad guy who could get redeemed if only he got a chance.
The point is, there was a duality in the way Zach portrayed him that I thought would be very useful for playing Spock too, and I think that's what jj&co also saw.
The character =/= the actor. Ultimately, it's about acting skills and a lot of great actors show that through playing villains.
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