If Gordon was really in love with (the real) Laura, he would invent Time Travel, go back to kill Greg and then trick her into reciprocating.
THE ORVILLE S2, E11: "LASTING IMPRESSIONS"
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That is some messed up s****!
Gordon is not subtle, and he is dumb.
To keep history in tact, Gordon has to arrive in the past after the time capsule is stocked, which is after Laura and Greg get their happily ever after.
Removing Greg from her life gently will be hard, if Greg and Laura are supposed to get married and have four kids.
Does that make it canon now that they slept with each other? Because when Gordon asked Ed neither confirmed or denied it. But he didn't deny it now either."You can bang a Krill, but I can't date a sales rep from Macys?"
That occurred to me. I'd think that this establishes that the Sexual Event occurred.
Yes, he made it a more believable "tragic love story" than Riker or even poor Geordie did with their holo-loves. I was half expecting to see him do some space googling and find out that Laura has descendants on earth and that one of them looks exactlly like her and is single. He gets his hopes up again....goes and stalks/meets her....only to find out she likes women, so tragedy strikes once again. Maybe a future episode perhaps.
Because TNG sucked, remember everyone? It was terrible! It ruined the legacy of Star Trek! Yuck! Why did people even watch it?!
Oops. You caught me. Now I can’t hide it any longer. I tried taping all the episodes on VHS to throw off the scent. I bought all the TNG movies (three different formats). I bought the blu-ray box set of the entire series. All that money and effort? Clearly wasted now that you’ve cleverly revealed my sheer hatred for TNG.
Perhaps you’ll refrain from assuming facts not in evidence in the future.
I have enjoyed ALL versions of Trek (albeit not equally). But those little “moral of the week speeches”, admittedly in every series to some degree, seemed, to me, especially hamfisted in TNG—as did Kelly’s. And I certainly will not apologize for not wanting more.
It just seems to me everyone loves to hate on TNG. It was a syndicated TV show made almost 25 years ago, its format, production and what it could do storywise is limited compared to today.
It wasn't a perfect series, but I find it hard to make an argument this series is exceeding it in any way other than production values. The best episode of Orville rank up there, for, me with the best of the mediocre episodes if TNG. This show hasn't reached the heights of Family, Inner Light, Far Beyond the Stars and more.
One episode for me has excelled its Trek equavalant and that was the Isaac/Finn romance one compared to TNG's In Theory.
I'm tired of seeing so much pissing on Trek going on here.
It wasn't a perfect series, but I find it hard to make an argument this series is exceeding it in any way other than production values. The best episode of Orville rank up there, for, me with the best of the mediocre episodes if TNG. This show hasn't reached the heights of Family, Inner Light, Far Beyond the Stars and more.
One episode for me has excelled its Trek equavalant and that was the Isaac/Finn romance one compared to TNG's In Theory.
I'm tired of seeing so much pissing on Trek going on here.
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I don't consider The Orville better than TNG (I was simply pointing out an element of TNG I didn't like then, and have even less patience for now). I much prefer DSC to The Orville, if I have to rank them, though I enjoy the latter quite a bit. If I were to point to any Trek series that I'd rank below The Orville, it would be Voyager--mostly because it did not live up to its initial premise in any meaningful way (the conflicting perspectives/attitudes of Starfleet and Maquis and the pristine condition of the ship 99% of the time stand out as my main complaints). The Orville, so far, appears to be faithful to its premise and entertains me in the moment. I usually don't ask much more of TV shows.
I don't have to "make the argument." I just watch it, and see what I see. And what I see is generally better than the kind of storytelling that Berman era Trek* did.
As to production values: the effects are vastly better, yes, and the design of the space effects - if not always of the spacecraft - is better. But that's to be expected given the passage of time. Some of the set design is nicer than what was done during Berman era Trek, but for the most part Trek is better (I do find Orville's set design more appealing and imaginative than what's being don on STD). Likewise, the costume design on Trek at that time was better than The Orville in most respects, particularly color choices.
*1987-2005
This was filmed in 2018 was it not? So why not 2017, or 2016?
Could be.
2015 makes just as much sense as any of those years, it always struck me as...
"Narratively convenient" whenever a show set in the future, dealing with interacting with the past, things always "happened" to line up with the year the episode/movie was made.
There's a good possibility she might have. There was a girl sitting on the bus near me once who claimed to have a video on her phone of her having sex, though her story was she recorded it as blackmail material since she knew the guy she was with was cheating on his girlfriend.
Honestly, I don't mean to slam Star Trek, even if the majority of my Orville reviews seem to indicate otherwise. It's just Star Trek (particularly from the 1990s) has a lot of missed opportunity, and Orville really does come off at times as 90s Star Trek done right. If anything, watching Orville has really helped me understand Ron Moore's mentality in interviews, DVD commentaries and podcasts he did for BSG. While there is a majority of the stuff he said that could sound like Star Trek bashing, he's really speaking from a place of frustration with the many constraints he had to work under while on Star Trek and how liberating it was to do away with all those constraints with BSG. To me, it's basically the same principal, Star Trek had a lot of constraints and restrictions on what kind of show it could be and how things had to be done. So it's liberating to watch a show that is able to do stories similar to what Star Trek did without those constraints and restrictions and allow those stories to meet their fullest potential.
I agree Orville does have a bit of an unfair advantage, given it's writing staff are people who have faithfully watched Star Trek for most of their lives and people who actually worked on Star Trek who with the advantage of twenty-plus years of dissection or hindsight (depending on if their background is a fan or former writer/producer) are able to learn from Star Trek what worked and what failed and craft this show accordingly. But at the same time, Disco has the same advantage, and while I will agree that show has significantly improved in its second season, I still find Orville superior and the truer spiritual successor to Star Trek.
I have said this before, but I do find the gushing over the Orville at the expense of various Trek shows annoying. Bashing of TNG is kind of surprising since I had the impression that the Orville fan base is mainly people who loved TNG and are happy to see what basically are new TNG episodes.
I expect the gushing for the Orville to increase even more once the new Picard series starts. I think that show will be nothing like TNG, so those who are hoping for that will end up appreciating Orville even more.
