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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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kirk55555 said:
One thing about the next villain is that I think the next "Big bad" doesn't have to be as "big" as Thanos. People still read the Avengers comic even though they have a lot of adventures aren't life and death for the entire galaxy. He/she/etc also don't need a decade of build up, at least in my opinion.
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Sure, they could decide to just go for smaller standalone movies now, but if they do decide to go for another big overarching bad guy who will be around for several movies, they'll have to at least be a big enough deal that it'll be believable that the Avengers wouldn't be able to just track them down and stop them in one movie.
The Nth Doctor said:
Hard pass on Norman Osborne. He's small potatoes in my world (yeah, I know where he's at these days in the comics but I don't care...he should've stayed dead). Doctor Doom would be a good mini-boos (as it were) but I don't think he's quite up there for Big Bad. My choice would be either Galactus or Kang.
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Yeah, I know Doom's not a huge threat, but he was the only other villain that I could think of who's fought more than one hero or team, and who was part of one of the big comic events. He would definitely need to be set up in an FF movie first, kind of like how Loki was set up in Thor before being the villain in Avengers.
I forgot about Kang, he would be another great choice.
What about Annihilus?
 
JD said:
Yeah, I know Doom's not a huge threat,
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:wtf:
Doom would have you killed for such insolence.
:evil:;)

This is a guy, who in the most recent issue of Fantastic Four, lured Galactus to Earth against his will and captured him to further his own ends. :eek:
 
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If they're considering another trilogy (quadrilogy?) of Avengers movies, similar to the first 3 phases, I'd like to see the Skrulls manipulating villains and heroes over the the course of the various movies (with various big bads for Avengers 5 & 6) and leading into an adaptation (obviously a fairly loose adaptation depending on heroes and villains available) of Secret Wars for the final part.

Doctor Doom should be an Avengers villain at some point but I'd want him to be introduced in a Fantastic Four movie first, and given he's been used in all Fantastic Four movies so far, I hope they hold off using him for the first FF movie (maybe a post credits scene at the end?) and build him up properly first.

If they run phases again I'd be looking at an FF movie in phase 4, FF sequel in phase 5 including Doom as either a main or secondary villain leading to Doom being part of the Avengers 7 (7/8?) finale. Of course, that's assuming that Marvel continue using that kind of phase approach to their movies with Avengers being the grand finale of each phase.
 
Gavin70 said:
If they're considering another trilogy (quadrilogy?) of Avengers movies, similar to the first 3 phases, I'd like to see the Skrulls manipulating villains and heroes over the the course of the various movies (with various big bads for Avengers 5 & 6) and leading into an adaptation (obviously a fairly loose adaptation depending on heroes and villains available) of Secret Wars for the final part.
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Secret Wars or Secret Invasion?
Some people have been saying the Skrulls being good guys in Captain Marvel rules out a Secret Invasion storyline, but I don't think it does. Just because the Skrulls happily left Earth back in 1995, doesn't mean they couldn't change their minds and come back to take over the Earth, or that another more hostile group couldn't show up.
 
JD said:
Secret Wars or Secret Invasion?
Some people have been saying the Skrulls being good guys in Captain Marvel rules out a Secret Invasion storyline, but I don't think it does. Just because the Skrulls happily left Earth back in 1995, doesn't mean they couldn't change their minds and come back to take over the Earth, or that another more hostile group couldn't show up.
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but isn't it just a small group of "good" skrulls? Couldn't there be a faction somewhere, lead by the Skrull queen presumably, who have evil intentions? I hope something like that happens, because I'd love to see the MCU do the secret invasion.
 
kirk55555 said:
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but isn't it just a small group of "good" skrulls? Couldn't there be a faction somewhere, lead by the Skrull queen presumably, who have evil intentions? I hope something like that happens, because I'd love to see the MCU do the secret invasion.
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Yes, the movie explicitly says at the end something to the effect of 'This is only the beginning. There are more of us scattered all over the galaxy'. Also, the fact that the movie is entirely about the skrulls' desire for a homeworld of their own - which was their actual motivation for attacking Earth in the comics - seems a totally obvious Secret Invasion set up to me. The only thing that actually has to happen is that the Skrulls get new leadership and/or a reason to believe their new home must be Earth rather than any old planet.
 
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I think Doctor Doom is big enough to have his own movie and the Fantastic Four might show up in a teaser at the end.

Besides everything else, the guy has his own country, with nuclear weapons and super technology.
 
Marsden said:
I think Doctor Doom is big enough to have his own movie and the Fantastic Four might show up in a teaser at the end.

Besides everything else, the guy has his own country, with nuclear weapons and super technology.
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Noah Hawley was developing a Doctor Doom movie for Fox, and has a completed script. He has even had a meeting with Kevin Feige about it, but it's future is very much on the doubtful side.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/io9.gi...-movie-has-a-script-but-its-fu-1833261195/amp
 
Marsden said:
I think Doctor Doom is big enough to have his own movie and the Fantastic Four might show up in a teaser at the end.

Besides everything else, the guy has his own country, with nuclear weapons and super technology.
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The problem with Doom is that everyone else has stolen his thunder. From the scarred man in the metal mask with a past connection to the hero (e.g. Vader to Obi-Wan in the original Star Wars), to so many fantasy films using the world-threatening overlord/mastermind trope, what used to be unique in comics (of the 60s) is now largely passé.

After Thanos, the MCU needs to take a long break from the "This one has EVERYTHING! Its the BIGGEST EVER!!" scripts and explore more earth-bound, personal stories. Captain America: The Winter Soldier was that kind of film, taking a very different direction following The Avengers, and was a serious film that was arguably the finest moment of the MCU, while building on/up the MCU. That is a road that needs to be traveled again, instead of another form of Infinity War.
 
Gavin70 said:
Good question and I'm not knowledgeable enough about Marvel to know the difference. I was always a DC comics reader (except for Fantastic Four) so I'm running on bits of half remembered mentions. I suspect that Secret Invasion is probably the one I'm thinking of.
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Yeah, that's pretty much certain. Secret Wars has nothing to do with the Skrulls anyway - it's just an excuse to force random heroes and villains to fight each other because the Beyonder wants to understand mortal life. Except for the modern Secret Wars, which I haven't read, but as I understand it it's just an excuse to imagine the marvel universe as a bizarre giant mash-up world instead of an actual coherent universe.
 
I would love to see Doom 2099 adapted. It could easily be tweaked to take place in present day too.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
The problem with Doom is that everyone else has stolen his thunder. From the scarred man in the metal mask with a past connection to the hero (e.g. Vader to Obi-Wan in the original Star Wars), to so many fantasy films using the world-threatening overlord/mastermind trope, what used to be unique in comics (of the 60s) is now largely passé.
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Just because something has been done before, doesn't mean it can't be done well again and still be part of a great movie.

After Thanos, the MCU needs to take a long break from the "This one has EVERYTHING! Its the BIGGEST EVER!!" scripts and explore more earth-bound, personal stories. Captain America: The Winter Soldier was that kind of film, taking a very different direction following The Avengers, and was a serious film that was arguably the finest moment of the MCU, while building on/up the MCU. That is a road that needs to be traveled again, instead of another form of Infinity War.
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They managed to do that several times during the Infinity Saga, which is now the official name for the first Three phases, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't continue to do that even if they do start up with another big arc. If we can get movies like The Winter Soldier, or Black Panther, or Iron Man 3 as part of the Infinity Saga, I don't see any reason to believe we couldn't get similar movies in whatever potential "saga" covers Phases 4+.
We already know we're getting Black Widow, and there's a pretty good chance that is probably going to be a smaller scale, more character driven story.
 
JD said:
They managed to do that several times during the Infinity Saga, which is now the official name for the first Three phases, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't continue to do that even if they do start up with another big arc. If we can get movies like The Winter Soldier, or Black Panther, or Iron Man 3 as part of the Infinity Saga, I don't see any reason to believe we couldn't get similar movies in whatever potential "saga" covers Phases 4+.
We already know we're getting Black Widow, and there's a pretty good chance that is probably going to be a smaller scale, more character driven story.
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I welcome the more personal film that Black Widow should be. Adding to that, I believe audiences will grow tired of big sagas if one appears to be building over the next four or five films. You can only "go big" so many times before its a ho-hum affair (e.g., The Force Awakens having another planet-killing super-weapon when two of the OT SW films--no matter how distant the OT is--had two Death Stars).
 
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