Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

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  1. Michael

    Michael Good Bad Influence Moderator

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    This was only an okay episode for me. It's nice that they finally decided to do something with Airiam 2.0 and give her some backstory. But of course this wouldn't be Discovery if it wasn't also the episode where she dies. For some reason the writers don't seem to want to utilize the possibilities of this being serialized. They have the opportunity to plan much of the story ahead before they even start to film a season. So why not lay more groundwork for her backstory and her relationship to others in the ship? Airiam's death could have been so much more impactful, had they not decided in the last minute to give her some character. The way she died reminded me somewhat of Charlie's death on Lost, which had a much bigger dramatic impact, because at that point we actually knew who this character was.

    Rewatching the episode with my wife I wondered why that tangent of Nhan watching Airiam and seemingly figuring out that something was off with her didn't pay off or go anywhere. Why did they put that in?

    Also, how did Cornwell find Discovery? Did they say this?

    Make Vulcania Great Again? [​IMG]

    EDIT: Forgot to add that I loved everything with Spock in this episode. Especially that scene in Burnham's quarters. Some very interesting bits of character development in there!
     
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  2. Delta Vega

    Delta Vega Commodore Commodore

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    Strange to show some back story and character development to Airiam
    Then fucking kill her off
    Although. . . I think she'll come back, maybe as the Angel, (I think its maybe too obvious to be Burnham)
    Gave the episode a solid 7, it was too slow to begin with, trying to fit Spock into Engineering, trying to convince us that Spock is innocent, we know.
    He gets his own back on Burnham by being an angry Vulcan, and a complete bastard.
    As has been mentioned, how could Airiam not have been beamed direct to the brig, even when she was ejected into space ?
    Did no one give a fuck about Nahn nearly dying ?
    A very sad, shock ending, but maybe not unexpected after the Airiam build up.
    Looking forward to Episode 10.
     
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  3. Tomalak

    Tomalak Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yes, or Saru for that matter, or Ro, or Worf. You don't need to be from a Federation planet to join Starfleet.
     
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  4. Aeolusdallas

    Aeolusdallas Captain Captain

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    The real question is "Does Control have a YouTube channel?"
     
  5. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

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    Real Fine Vulcans!

    I disagree that Burnham is the only character that gets development. Lorca, Stamets, Saru, Ash, Mirror Georgiu and Tilly have gotten plenty of development. Just they have a richer secondary cast than they've taken time to explore.
     
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  6. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

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    What would I have done with Airiam - put her in suspended animation, shut down the computer inside her, cleaned the computer of the CONTROL virus, test the systems so as to be sure the virus is gone and everything is working, and reboot her internal computer.

    And, as a final good measure, destroy the space station with the ship's armaments.

    For all the threat posed by the mines, they proved to be a dud in the end. With the shields of the Discovery and her armaments, she could have cleared the area of mines rather quickly leaving the station open to attack.
     
  7. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    Yeah, that bugged me too. They made a big thing about them being fugitives from Starfleet, but Cornwell, by herself, tracks them down in a shuttle??
     
  8. Tosk

    Tosk Admiral Admiral

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    Because the aim was never to really stop Discovery, just keep her occupied.
     
  9. IMC Headquarters

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    She homed in on Tyler's commbadge signal.
     
  10. plynch

    plynch Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Couldn't they just have beamed them all out?

    Then blow up control?

    Atrium's death did move me tbough, because of the convincing camaraderie memories with the crew.

    This new Spock seems like Spock. Quinto's just never did, to me.
     
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  11. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    Why couldn't everyone else?
     
  12. Midquest

    Midquest Captain Captain

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    They set up that there's a wireless component to Airiam's viral communication. I think it far more likely that, if they had beamed her over, she'd have immediately found a way to overpower them and infect the ship, which is basically what she alluded to. There wouldn't have been time to suspend her. She was too powerful.

    Yeah, it's weird. I appreciate Quinto but he never clicked as Spock for me. I felt like he was playing Spock rather than being Spock; so far Peck's Spock is aggressively his own being and version of the character, and that's really working for me. I find that the performance slides effortlessly into the character we know despite how different he is.
     
  13. gblews

    gblews Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Gave it an 8.

    I thought the way they handled Ariam's storyline was a good example of how to do visual storytelling. In just a few scenes we were shown who Ariam was, how she got to be who she was, and her relationship with the crew. I don't think effective storytelling necessarily requires any certain amount of screen time.

    As a result, I was fairly devastated by Ariam's, death. It would be nice if we actually see some type of ceremony or at least references to it, in coming episodes.

    Really am enjoying SMG's performance this season. She has definitely taken command of her character. Her action scenes on the S31 station, her interactions with Spock, her reaction to Ariam on the station, were great.

    Well, on to the Red Angel.
     
  14. Mr. Adventure

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    They were until they see how little concern they have for their people lol.

    Stress is not good for the atrium, one should exercise regularly.
     
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  15. TrickyDickie

    TrickyDickie Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I thought they depicted quite a thorough range with that type of thing in the movie 'Patriot Games'.

    For everyone who didn't like the way they handled Airiam, consider this: Edith Keeler was introduced and killed off in one episode....nothing more at all....and look how effective that was and how much people have cared about her character. Airiam is right up there too, for me. Just like Joe Hardy's fiance, in 'The Last Kiss of Summer'.
     
  16. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    But isn't the advantage of serialized storytelling that it doesn't treat things in such episodic fashion?
     
  17. TrickyDickie

    TrickyDickie Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    My take on it is that serialized can 'be' episodic, at times, and be very effective. I have especially enjoyed Discovery because it has done both....it's like the best of both worlds. While I don't gush over it, I am a 4-decades+ fan of TOS, yet I have come to like Discovery even better, flaws included.
     
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  18. Noname Given

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    No, but it has a Cone of Silence. :nyah:
     
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  19. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    I like episodic (and semi-episodic) myself, but I do think that if Discovery is going for serialization, it should take advantage of the form. Ariam's death would have been much stronger if they had.

    I will be curious to see if her death is a significant plot point next week or if we're back to stopping Control.
     
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  20. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon I love Star Trek Discovery Premium Member

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    Georgiou as much said that literally in a previous episode. She said in her universe AI serves people not the other way around.