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THE ORVILLE: S1, E7: "MAJORITY RULE"

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In Germany, and I'd guess in other countries as well, the penalty for speeding (and other traffic offenses) is not only a ticket to pay, but also penalty points going into the driver's record. Collect enough penalty points, and they'll suspend your licence.

This, of course, is concering actually breaking the law, but insulting the police officer giving you the ticket is also against the law, so there is a penalty for bad behaviour. A far cry from the dystopian system they're trying out in China, but still. I also could very easily see countries in Europe and North America, including the U.S. and my own home Germany, eventually going in that direction. State surveillance has gone up a shitload since the turn of the century, and laws have become very authoritarian, too (and not just since Trump and the rise of the New Right in Europe). The U.S. still imprisons people without a trial in Guantanamo Bay, including in the past several people who turned out to be innocent, and several state governments in Germany are actively trying to bring about a new police law making it possible for people to be imprisoned indefinitely merely on suspicion.

So, while we are still far from the authoritarianism of China, I do think our main concern should be to fight off authoritarianism in our own countries instead of only pointing fingers at other nations.
 
You don't lose points for speeding, you gain them.
Well, in Canada (at least in several provinces), we actually do lose points. New drivers start with very few and the number rises after a few years (5 to start, 15 at maximum, in Quebec—can’t speak for other provinces in terms of numbers). The renewal cost of your licence also varies with the number of points you have (and rises steeply as you lose points). Takes two years from the date of occurrence to recover points lost in a single infraction.

But, with all the photo radar being set up, at least the government is being nice enough to mail us our tickets, thereby reducing the risk of our getting an additional ticket for yelling obscenities at police officers. It’s very considerate of them. :whistle:
 
:lol:

The nice thing about photo radar tickets here is that they don't accrue any points against a driver's record - the tickets are written based on the vehicle license number, not the driver's license number. Anyone could be driving the car, after all...
 
:lol:

The nice thing about photo radar tickets here is that they don't accrue any points against a driver's record - the tickets are written based on the vehicle license number, not the driver's license number. Anyone could be driving the car, after all...
No points lost here either with photo radar. Good thing for my daughter. She’s about to get her first licence. It’s probationary with 4 points. In two years she will have a restricted licence with 8 points (she’ll be 19). At 23, she’ll be given 12 points. At 25, 15 points. All assuming she doesn’t lose any in the interim. There are also restrictions on how many passengers 19 and under she can transport between midnight and 5am in her first year of driving.

Good thing I grew up in NH. At 16 I got a completely unrestricted licence with a full buffer for points. Under the QC system, I might have managed to break all the restrictions and burn the points in about a month. [Clint in Unforgiven] Well, I ain’t like that no more [/Clint in Unforgiven] :lol:
 
This is not a problem with Communist countries so much as developing countries. Throughout Central America and Africa, you can get around the rules if you pay the right people. And in many African countries, police will outright ask for bribe money.
happens in the U.S. too - you (as a Corporation) just need to donate to the right candidate; and once he's in office - BINGO!
 
Well, in Canada (at least in several provinces), we actually do lose points. New drivers start with very few and the number rises after a few years (5 to start, 15 at maximum, in Quebec—can’t speak for other provinces in terms of numbers). The renewal cost of your licence also varies with the number of points you have (and rises steeply as you lose points). Takes two years from the date of occurrence to recover points lost in a single infraction.
We have a similar system, except it's applied as a credit or surcharge against your insurance.
 
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