USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Dukhat]

The Engle (U.S.S. T'Plana'Hath) and the Walker classes I can see being a natural evolution from the NX class (other than the nacelles). The other ship classes are just kind of a hodgepodge of designs with little internal similarity, and some could even pass for post-TUC or even post-TNG ships.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Not to be that guy but does ship size really impact enjoyment?

It's not about enjoyment, it goes back to Discovery's reboot-it-but-call-it-prime ethos. The Discoprise clearly doesn't fit into the design lineage of the TOS version of the ship, which has been mapped out in deck-by-deck, room-by-room detail since 1974.

 

[Belz...]

The Engle (U.S.S. T'Plana'Hath) and the Walker classes I can see being a natural evolution from the NX class (other than the nacelles). The other ship classes are just kind of a hodgepodge of designs with little internal similarity, and some could even pass for post-TUC or even post-TNG ships.

Yeah, and actually I find that the Kelvin fits in well with that part of the design lineage as well.

As I said before, the problem is transitioning into TOS/TMP.

 

[Longinus]

The Engle (U.S.S. T'Plana'Hath) and the Walker classes I can see being a natural evolution from the NX class (other than the nacelles). The other ship classes are just kind of a hodgepodge of designs with little internal similarity, and some could even pass for post-TUC or even post-TNG ships.

I think all of them would work way better with round nacelles.

 

[STR]

Actually - no.
The beauty of the Enterprise from the 60's is that it doesn't look like a ship designed in the 60s. (If you don't believe me - just look at some other "spaceships" designed in the 60s). No - it believably looks like a starship from the far future.
(at least design-wise. production-quality? looks like the 60's...)

Whereas, yeah, the Disco-Prise absolutely looks like a ship designed in the 2010's. (Though - to be honest - she looks more like a design from the 00's than from the 10's. Design language has moved on already - she looks slightly dated even by "now"-standards).

TBH, the TOS ship looks like it was made in the 50s. It's got that weird mix of pre-war art deco and near-postwar battleship-gray utilitarian. More than a hint of Saarinen in the massing and interior.

The nacelles are very rocket like. No way they're not . A saucer is a saucer. The innovative part is combining the two SF staples into one ship. They weren't creating in a vacuum. Jefferies was drawing from his aeronautical background and from SF.

Underrated comment here. The TOS Enterprise (still called Yorktown at that point) was originally a flying saucer. The final product is an elaboration on that concept plus existing shapes from elsewhere in sci-fi with the details derived from aviation and automotive influences. Brilliant work still, it just didn't appear out of nowhere. Thinking that way completely misses what design is and the effort required to create something new.

IMO, the ring ship was more original (which isn't always better), but even it stood on the shoulders of Giants.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not about enjoyment, it goes back to Discovery's reboot-it-but-call-it-prime ethos. The Discoprise clearly doesn't fit into the design lineage of the TOS version of the ship, which has been mapped out in deck-by-deck, room-by-room detail since 1974.

It does go to enjoyment if individuals are calling it out as reboot and not prime.

I have all those books. That doesn't mean that things can't change.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It does go to enjoyment if individuals are calling it out as reboot and not prime.

Would Disco being a reboot affect your enjoyment of it?

 

[Belz...]

I still feels like people are ignoring visual retcons in their calculations, though. It doesn't fit into the design lineage of TOS because TOS has been retconned out of existence, design-wise.

 

[fireproof78]

Would Disco being a reboot affect your enjoyment of it?

No. Should it?

 

[TrickyDickie]

I've just been noticing how closely the image on this 1976 album and the lighted inflatable from the 2009 Tokyo premiere resemble each other....

 

[F. King Daniel]

I still feels like people are ignoring visual retcons in their calculations, though. It doesn't fit into the design lineage of TOS because TOS has been retconned out of existence, design-wise.

Except they're next to each other in a technical publication. And "visual reboot" is a fan invention, not something CBS have alluded to.

No. Should it?

Nope, but you're the one who said it goes to enjoyment if it's a reboot and not prime.

Seeing it as a reboot makes it a LOT more enjoyable IMHO.

 

[Dukhat]

I've just been noticing how closely the image on this 1976 album and the lighted inflatable from the 2009 Tokyo premiere resemble each other....

You mean that they both have a saucer, secondary hull, and two nacelles on pylons? Yep, they're identical twins!

 

[Belz...]

Except they're next to each other in a technical publication.

I don't care about non-canon publications. They're a dime a dozen. I'm talking about the show itself. It's clear that this is now supposed to be how things looked like during that period. Is that really so much of an issue?

And "visual reboot" is a fan invention, not something CBS have alluded to.

It's neither. It's a general concept that some franchises go for after a while.

 

[TrickyDickie]

You mean that they both have a saucer, secondary hull, and two nacelles on pylons? Yep, they're identical twins!

I think it's in the lack of detail on the underside of the saucer in comparison to other versions....which, as large as the saucer is, represents a significant percentage of the whole.

 

[Dukhat]

I think it's in the lack of detail on the underside of the saucer in comparison to other versions....which, as large as the saucer is, represents a significant percentage of the whole.

I understand. And the ironic thing is that I hate the Abramsprise design, yet I think it fits the TOS time period better than the DSC ships do...even the DSC Enterprise.

 

[Belz...]

I understand. And the ironic thing is that I hate the Abramsprise design, yet I think it fits the TOS time period better than the DSC ships do...even the DSC Enterprise.

Interesting. I find the reboot Enterprises to fit more into the TMP era than the TOS one.

 

[Dukhat]

Interesting. I find the reboot Enterprises to fit more into the TMP era than the TOS one.

The only thing about the Abramsprise/Abramsprise-A I feel that way about are the saucers. But the rest of the hulls look retro-futuristic. (That's not why I dislike the designs, however.)

 

[DaveyNY]

It's not the size of your equipment, or matters of configuration....it's how attentive and respectful you are and whether or not you are aware that deployment need not necessarily even be a component of a mutually successful campaign.

Somehow, that statement and your Avatar name .... are extremely incongruent.

 

[Belz...]

The only thing about the Abramsprise I feel that way about is the saucer. But the rest of the ship looks retro-futuristic. (That's not why I dislike the design, however.)

Hmm... I think the lighting of the deflector could count as inspired by TMP as well. And the plating of the hull. And some other details such as the RCS thrusters, phaser arrays, torpedo launchers, etc.

But yeah, the shape of the pylons and engineering section and neck are quite different, and the nacelles are more TOS-inspired.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Somehow, that statement and your Avatar name .... are extremely incongruent.

I chose that name in reference to Richard Nixon, because of Spock's words about China.