I'd ask how "The Cage" is meant to work in DSC's version of the Trek continuity.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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The nacelles are very rocket like. No way they're not . A saucer is a saucer. The innovative part is combining the two SF staples into one ship. They weren't creating in a vacuum. Jefferies was drawing from his aeronautical background and from SF.
The same way it fits in the rest of the continuity.
Not so well, then.
Yeah, Enterprise goes to Talos in response to an emergency beacon. Pike get's kidnapped by the Talosians. Pike gets free after some hijinks. The Enterprise moves on to it's next mission. Where's the problem?
It's about the Enterprise growing, being refit, then shrinking and being defit.Yeah, Enterprise goes to Talos in response to an emergency beacon. Pike get's kidnapped by the Talosians. Pike gets free after some hijinks. The Enterprise moves on to it's next mission. Where's the problem?
The real issue here is that the DSC Enterprise takes visual cues from the NX-01, not the TOS NCC-1701, which makes sense considering that one of the designs from Eaves's NX-01 concept art was what he started with. The problem is that the Enterprise from The Cage/Menagerie looks barely different from the later TOS ship, but now we have this 'intermediary' design that doesn't make sense chronologically if this show is supposed to be a true prequel to TOS, not to even mention the size difference.
Yeah, Enterprise goes to Talos in response to an emergency beacon. Pike get's kidnapped by the Talosians. Pike gets free after some hijinks. The Enterprise moves on to it's next mission. Where's the problem?
None, other than his ship changing size and shape.
edit: ninja'd by King Daniel.
Things evolve in fiction. The size of the ship is not really important for the stories.
It does in the context of my reply to Tuscin, that having the classic TOS Enterprise appear at the end of season 2 would create continuity issues regarding "The Cage"
Apparently quite true, since according to the official Eaglemoss Klingon ship size chart, the original TOS D7 is a flea in comparison to the humongous DSC Klingon ships. It's only about the size of the DSC BoP. One wonders why they'd bother with it at all since it's so puny. Oh, wait...it's going to be upscaled to 500 times it's original size...
Don't care. Its just an image on a screen. When Eaglemoss starts writing Star Trek shows or films, then I might.
I see that you don't care. For a ship nut like myself however, I find it very annoying. It drove me nuts back during TNG when they scaled a Klingon BoP to the size of a Romulan Warbird because they were too cheap to build a new model.
The only problem with that is that I like TOS more than I like DSC, so if any show is going to get retconned out of existence, it’s the latter
It's really unfortunate, then, that you're not involved in producing the franchise, isn't it?
Here's the thing: I agree with you on prefering TOS to DSC, but it doesn't matter; I'm not the one making the decisions. I have no problem accepting this visual retcon despite me prefering TOS, even though I'd rather they stuck closer to the original.
It ain't a problem if you accept it as a retroactive change, which is something a lot of long-lived franchises have been doing since forever. There's literally no need to "fit" any of the older stuff in the new stuff or vice-versa if you just accept that they changed it in the real world, and that it changes things in-universe without the need for any explanation.
That they're currently trying to explain the changes in season 2 works against the show, because the only people who care about this are a subset of the die-hard fans. The general audience doesn't care if the communicators aren't precisely the same as before, or if the exact shade of the doors is different, or if a character is played by a different actor who's not quite the same height as Jeffrey Hunter.
It all comes down to what you're willing to accept. And there's no one stopping anyone from accepting anything except the person themselves, and no one to pay the price for refusing to do so but themselves. So here's my dilemma: do I want to spend my time being annoyed that the door chime in DSC ressembles the one on VOY, or do I want to focus on the actual plot and characters? Easy choice for me.
So trying to find out how the Cage enterprise is refit into the DSC one and then back for WNMHGB and then into the regular TOS one before getting another major change for TMP is missing the point: the designers didn't even consider that because they know it's unimportant; they just wanted to make a change.
Correct, because while I like DSC, I would have done something completely different if I was asked to make a show set ten years before TOS. But I wasn't asked to, and I'm still sore about that and will continue to vent my entitled frustration on Star Trek internet bulletin boards to whoever will reply to me. Like yourself, for instance
Maybe you need a less stressful hobby.
Maybe you need a less stressful hobby.
I tried mountain climbing, but it was boring.
Is that so??? Care to share some examples of these long-lived franchises?
I'm think about taking up Knife throwing in Public Places.Maybe you need a less stressful hobby.
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