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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

Looks very 60's to me. It's rockets attached a flying saucer. Has a radar dish in front and a clamshell door in the back.

The biggest difference, of course, being that the "rockets" look nothing like rockets (don't even have exhaust ports) - and instead like a completely futuristic piece of technology, that the secondary hull is not a roket at all, the saucer doesn't look like a traditional flying saucer, that the entire configuration is completely new and creative, and that no other fictional space ships from that era integrated real technology like dishes and outer hull doors into their design, and - oh yeah - that the ship seperated it's engines into impulse and faster-than-light engines - something, that NO show or movie had done until then and most of the time even afterwards (hell, not even Star Wars does this).
 
The DSC design was deliberately meant to bridge those two eras, both recalling ENT's aesthetic and foreshadowing those of TOS and the movies at the same time.

As Scott Schneider says in the Eaglemoss booklet: "We were constantly trying to tie into both the past and future architecture of Starfleet ships...we tried to tie stuff into the NX-01 and stuff that would come in the future, like the Enterprise-B...we wanted to show some connection to the motion picture refit...get some of those details that you see on the refit in there, but to make it look as if they were in their earlier stages."

It was intentionally more contemporary in its practical execution, but less futuristic from an in-universe perspective, than the TOS and TMP iterations. Quibbles aside, I'd say they achieved that goal reasonably well, overall.


It's simply a case of the same artist being given the same task twice, beginning from the same starting point and following the same extrapolative process, and thus producing accordingly similar results.

As Rick Berman said in the November 2001 issue of Star Trek: The Magazine: "We spent a lot of time studying the Enterprise from the television series and then the Enterprise from Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and then the subsequent ships and a variety of other vessels. We wanted something that was reminiscent; we wanted something that people could believe would, 90 years later, evolve into Kirk's Enterprise..."

The very reason why Eaves' design for the NX-01 was ultimately rejected is that it was deemed to look too much like Kirk's ship for ENT's purposes.


From the standpoint of its design, which is what we were discussing, it was meant to be "the same ship that Kirk commanded at an earlier stage of its life, before several refits"—featuring "more primitive versions" of "various components" that "would be replaced over time," thus allowing for a "transition to the original Matt Jefferies ship later on."

In terms of interpreting what's been depicted onscreen thus far, I would say your interpretation is an extreme (if not wholly unfair) one. Personally, I would concur that we are probably meant to think this is indeed what the ship looked like at the time of "The Cage"—thus retconning the depiction there and in the (illusory) flashbacks from "The Menagerie" (TOS)—but only DSC showing its own flashbacks to that time or earlier (which might happen, but we don't know for sure if it will) could confirm this concretely.

Likewise, if DSC were to continue into the timeframe of TOS proper, and show the Enterprise again during Kirk's five-year mission (which I doubt will happen, though it hypothetically could), I'd agree that we might well find her similarly updated. But as yet, it's entirely premature to jump to the conclusion that she won't undergo one or more overhauls that bring her much closer into line with how she was depicted in all the other series. (And if we don't ever see her in that same period, the issue is rendered moot. We would be left equally free to imagine that she looked more or less exactly as previously depicted, one way or the other, or neither.)

-MMoM:D

Sorry, no. That's just a bunch of backpedaling bullshit. One does not create DSC as a 'visual reboot' and then later say, "Oh, this design is supposed to be what the Enterprise looked like 'before' TOS." Nope, that's contradictory logic. You can't have it both ways.

The DSC Enterprise design was changed from the TOS design simply for the sake of changing it. That's all. There was no '25% rule!,' there was no 'this is a preliminary stage!,' there was no 'the TOS design won't hold up today!,' etc. That's all a bunch of crap.
 
Sorry, no. That's just a bunch of backpedaling bullshit. One does not create DSC as a 'visual reboot' and then later say, "Oh, this design is supposed to be what the Enterprise looked like 'before' TOS." Nope, that's contradictory logic. You can't have it both ways.
It’s not back peddling, the ship designers don’t have control over the narrative. What they say there doesn’t have impact on what will happen in the show’s story. It’s their personal opinion.

If it was Kurtzman or one of the writers who said that, I’d agree it’s backpedaling.
 
Did you read my entire post?

Ship designers are not writers. What they say isn’t lore, it’s their personal opinion.

It’s not backpedaling if they don’t have control over the narrative.

That's irrelevant. The writing has nothing to do with the ship designs. There are no lines of script dialogue that mention the reasons behind why the ships look the way they do. It's just the ship designers spouting some BS to justify their stuff.
 
That's irrelevant. The writing has nothing to do with the ship designs. There are no lines of script dialogue that mention the reasons behind why the ships look the way they do. It's just the ship designers spouting some BS to justify their stuff.
You just basically repeated what I said

But it isn’t BS, you can see everything he said in the ships design it’s self. All the influences are in there if you look.

Nothing he said was a lie.
 
It isn't, though. If we take Disco's place in the Prime universe seriously, it's meant to represent the exact same ship in the same configuration we saw in "The Cage" and then later with only superficial changes in WNMHGB and then TOS proper.

The classic design now never existed, it's been overwritten with what we see in the S1 finale and S2 premiere.
How would you react if they use the classic design in the season 2 finale?

They probably won’t, I’m just talking hypothetical here.
 
You just basically repeated what I said

But isn’t BS, you can see everything he said in the ships design it’s self. All the influences are in there.

Maybe I'm not being clear. MMOM made a post defending Eaves and the other ship designers because they are saying that the design for the DSC Enterprise was meant to be an intermediary step to the TOS version. That's what I'm calling BS on. The writers have nothing to do with that, and I'm not sure why you brought them up in the first place.
 
MMOM made a post defending Eaves and the other ship designers because they are saying that the design for the DSC Enterprise was meant to be an intermediary step to the TOS version. That's what I'm calling BS on.
And I’m saying that isn’t BS. It’s very clear in the final design of the DSC Connie that is what they tried to do, while following the guide lines that producers gave them.

Designers don’t work in a vaccuum
 
And I’m saying that isn’t BS. It’s very clear in the design of the DSC Connie that is what they tried to dowhile following the guide lines that producers gave them.

It's not even remotely clear. The DSC Enteprise might as well be a completely different ship than the TOS one. But obviously we're going to agree to disagree, so there's little point in continuing this conversation.
 
It's not even remotely clear. The DSC Enteprise might as well be a completely different ship than the TOS one. But obviously we're going to agree to disagree, so there's little point in continuing this conversation.
You really need to take a look at the book/video I posted last page. It goes through their entire design process. All the evidence you need is right there.
 
Dude, I've mentioned on numerous occasions that I don't agree with what Eaves and the rest say. So there's no point in trying to convince me.
 
The DSC Enteprise might as well be a completely different ship than the TOS one.
Just like the movie refit.

Dude, I've mentioned on numerous occasions that I don't agree with what Eaves and the rest say. So there's no point in trying to convince me.
They made the ship, so they know better than you. I’ll take the word of someone who actually worked on the show than someone who didn’t.
 
Just like the movie refit.

Except the Enterprise in "The Cage/The Menagerie" (which takes place before DSC) does not look like the DSC Enterprise. The TMP Enterprise is not the same animal at all. So you're saying they went from the Cage Enterprise, the the DSC Enterprise, to the TOS Enterprise?

They made the ship, so they know better than you. I’ll take the word of someone who actually worked on the show than someone who didn’t.

You can do whatever you want, I don't care.
 
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I also treat the DSC Enterprise as a retcon.

But I also accept it could theoretically be turned into the Season 1 TOS Connie, I just don't expect the show to do that.
 
It's just simpler to accept it as a retcon. There, problem solved. Enjoyment can begin.

The only problem with that is that I like TOS more than I like DSC, so if any show is going to get retconned out of existence, it’s the latter :)
 
Except the Enterprise in "The Cage/The Menagerie" (which takes place before DSC) does not look like the DSC Enterprise. The TMP Enterprise is not the same animal at all. So you're saying they went from the Cage Enterprise, the the DSC Enterprise, to the TOS Enterprise?
Yes. Most of the changes feel very cosmetic. Unlike the TMP Enterprise which was a major overall and changed major features of the hull (secondary hull is different, etc). Given that the Enterprise gets used as a test bed for different computer systems I don't bat an eye at these changes.
 
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