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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x06 - "The Sound of Thunder"
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Another great one. I was genuinely worried for Saru during the episode, afraid that his rage might consume him, but I was glad the liberation of his people seemed to bring him to an apparent peace of mind. As we learned more and more about the Ba'ul, and how Saru's behavior became increasingly belligerent, I became increasingly convinced that the Ba'ul were in fact the Kelpiens' mature form, so the role reversal came as a big surprise for me. Granted, it was either one or the other, but when I set my mind on one of two possibilities, I won't keep thinking about the other.
Either way, when the crew eventually decided to transmit the sphere's Vahar'ai signal, I became very anxious about all the bad ways it might turn out, especially after seeing what Burnham, Tilly and Airiam recovered from Kaminar's history. I was under the impression that Saru's behavioral changes were indicative of how mature Kelpiens behave naturally, so I felt a great sense of relief when his people's liberation brought closure to him instead. In that way, thinking back to his outburst toward the Ba'ul, it now reminds me much more of a classic rage against the heavens and also of confronting one's toxic and abusive parents on the way to recovery from childhood wounds. Pike was right to remove him from the bridge due to his obvious emotional involvement, but it's also perfectly understandable why he was enraged.
At first I was very surprised at how readily the crew became involved in the situation, but as it reached its conclusion, it suddenly dawned on me that this was not at all dissimilar from what Kirk would've done in Pike's place. The thought that you can intervene in the affairs of a pre-warp society to eliminate the influence of a warp-capable third party and restore the natural course of their development is nothing new. Still, I hope this similarity won't also mean that we'll just forget about Kaminar forever. I'd really like to visit this place again to see where this goes.
As a shameless Tilly fan, I admit I was bummed that she, among others, took the back seat this week, but it's not a problem; this was Saru's story and he had to carry it on his shoulders alone, with the rest of the cast taking on a supporting role. I rather liked how his emotional development was contrasted with Culber not feeling like himself, something that I really hope we'll expand upon in the future.
Either way, when the crew eventually decided to transmit the sphere's Vahar'ai signal, I became very anxious about all the bad ways it might turn out, especially after seeing what Burnham, Tilly and Airiam recovered from Kaminar's history. I was under the impression that Saru's behavioral changes were indicative of how mature Kelpiens behave naturally, so I felt a great sense of relief when his people's liberation brought closure to him instead. In that way, thinking back to his outburst toward the Ba'ul, it now reminds me much more of a classic rage against the heavens and also of confronting one's toxic and abusive parents on the way to recovery from childhood wounds. Pike was right to remove him from the bridge due to his obvious emotional involvement, but it's also perfectly understandable why he was enraged.
At first I was very surprised at how readily the crew became involved in the situation, but as it reached its conclusion, it suddenly dawned on me that this was not at all dissimilar from what Kirk would've done in Pike's place. The thought that you can intervene in the affairs of a pre-warp society to eliminate the influence of a warp-capable third party and restore the natural course of their development is nothing new. Still, I hope this similarity won't also mean that we'll just forget about Kaminar forever. I'd really like to visit this place again to see where this goes.
As a shameless Tilly fan, I admit I was bummed that she, among others, took the back seat this week, but it's not a problem; this was Saru's story and he had to carry it on his shoulders alone, with the rest of the cast taking on a supporting role. I rather liked how his emotional development was contrasted with Culber not feeling like himself, something that I really hope we'll expand upon in the future.
I was thinking this exact thing as I watched the episode. I think a big reason for Saru's likability has to do with Doug Jones' sensitive and nuanced performance which conveys perfectly the character's feeling's as he evolves. I'm loving his relationship with Michael also. Their unconditional love for one another, forged by all they have been through, is also developing into one of the best in all of Trekdom.
Saru's confrontation with Pike was shocking. It almost got physical. I'm still surprised Pike gave into Burnham considering Saru's weird behavior. The little "standoff" when Saru was sitting in Pike's chair (unrelated to their later interaction), was amusing.
Saru was correct in the assessment of his relationship with his sister when he told Burnham about it a couple of episodes ago. I thought their reunion was very well acted. Also thought it a nice touch that his sister had become a priest which gave her some authority with her people.
Wilson Cruz looked like he'd dropped a considerable amount of weight, which fit perfectly with his storyline. But who knows if the two were related.
Finally Spock, next week.
Gave the episode an 8. Another winner.
Agreed! They're really amping up the sibling quality of their relationship, where we began with rivalry, followed by falling out, reconciliation, and now unconditional love. The looks Michael was giving to Saru when he's at his post when they are speaking with the Ba'ul.... those were the WTF looks a sister would give to her little brother as he mouths off and invites a beat down.
I mentioned earlier about the resurrection of the Kelpien species. How the unevolved Kelpien went to 0, then the evolved Kelpien went to 0., then there was a growth of unevolved Kelpien. For those who are interested, the time stamp showing this series of events is at 35:13 to 35:35.
Why would the Ba'ul resurrect their natural predators, when the predator species was extinct? It wasn't for food. It can be assumed that Kaminar was a thriving ecosystem in the past, with plentiful food resources.
I am thinking the data said to be from the Sphere is actually a data set for a planet in our solar system. It is. It is the physical characteristics of the planet Venus.
Why would the Ba'ul resurrect their natural predators, when the predator species was extinct? It wasn't for food. It can be assumed that Kaminar was a thriving ecosystem in the past, with plentiful food resources.
I am thinking the data said to be from the Sphere is actually a data set for a planet in our solar system. It is. It is the physical characteristics of the planet Venus.
Took me a day to watch. I went dipping inthis thread.
I am very surprised not to see ppl flipping out over this huge upending of an entire civilization. Two, actually.
Because Saru, my fave, let it be known, asserts the Kelpians won't be what they were. Oh really. This is almost Kirkian in its revolutionizing two peoples' way of life. I want Saru to return in 3 years and find all the Baul eaten by the Kelpians with no Sarek to help restrain their nature. Though it's implied sis will be that.
After I saw Saru fire his spikes I had empathy for the Baul. Self-defense, man.
This is why the PD: unintended consequences. Good intentions can step on a butterfly as well as running off the path.
(Btw as an old Bradbury fan, wasn't it A, not THE Sound of Thunder, in his title?)
I am very surprised not to see ppl flipping out over this huge upending of an entire civilization. Two, actually.
Because Saru, my fave, let it be known, asserts the Kelpians won't be what they were. Oh really. This is almost Kirkian in its revolutionizing two peoples' way of life. I want Saru to return in 3 years and find all the Baul eaten by the Kelpians with no Sarek to help restrain their nature. Though it's implied sis will be that.
After I saw Saru fire his spikes I had empathy for the Baul. Self-defense, man.
This is why the PD: unintended consequences. Good intentions can step on a butterfly as well as running off the path.
(Btw as an old Bradbury fan, wasn't it A, not THE Sound of Thunder, in his title?)
Kirk took similar actions in "The Apple", "Return of the Archons", ect;.
Still gay.
Just not gay for Stammets.
NuCulber is programmed to love to Stammets, but he has enough free will to notice that he is an abridged version of the original Culber, and that he might as well be a slave as believe faithfully in the feelings he is feeling to feel.
Slavery is stupid.
NuCulber cannot be the sexual partner to the man who built him as a sex doll to replace the man who he used to have sex with, and love, because then he is just a rat in a maze, which is unconscionable.
Suicide is a possibility, since he doesn't want to resist his programming, and it feels so good to give in and love the man he is hard wired to love and be loved by that man.
Killing Stammets would also work.
Unlikely though.
NuCulbers only real option to strike out as a free man, proving that he is a real person, even if that person is not Culber, is to f**k everything that moves on Discovery except Stammets, then gloat, so that Stammet's heart breaks completely, which is something a man that is programmed to love another man would never do to that man.
One "M" in Stamets.
With the way Saru is now, I feel like he's going to do something foolhardy enough that Pike replaces him with Burnham as First Officer, putting her a step closer to Captain.
Saru seemed to be growing into his own as an XO during the early portion of the season, but it's starting to look to me like maybe it was a deliberate misdirection.
It was a tie.
Culber just realized he didn't come back from the dead just for Stamets to take ownership of his stories again for scars he no longer had. Plus, you know Stamets probably smells like mushrooms and he's had enough of mushrooms for a lifetime.
Hence my adjective, Kirkian. It has been pointed out to me that most or all famous PD violations by Kirk were when ship or crew were in danger. Still might not make it right, according to Bread and Circuses.
In this latest episode the Discovery, with help from the Red Angel, goes out of it's way to violate the Prime Directive so they can stop the Ba'ul from killing the Kelpiens.
But for all their shared efforts they just temporarily disabled the Ba'ul stronghold and left the Ba'ul space fleet completely untouched. Which means there's nothing stopping the Ba'ul from repairing their stronghold and wiping the Kelpiens out or using their rather impressive space fleet to wipe the Kelpiens out.
But for all their shared efforts they just temporarily disabled the Ba'ul stronghold and left the Ba'ul space fleet completely untouched. Which means there's nothing stopping the Ba'ul from repairing their stronghold and wiping the Kelpiens out or using their rather impressive space fleet to wipe the Kelpiens out.
Thd P D is there because our best intentions could make things way worse. What if one Kelpian, Saru, is wrong and they can't overcome their instincts? Then the Baul, who were acting in self-defense, will be eradicated.
As soon as they sent ou t the p ulse and the Kelpians were in agony I was hoping it would backfire and the trekker s would gain a valuable lesson in meddling. Nope. Happily ever after. I thought this was a horrible episode though I've been liking S2 better.
As soon as they sent ou t the p ulse and the Kelpians were in agony I was hoping it would backfire and the trekker s would gain a valuable lesson in meddling. Nope. Happily ever after. I thought this was a horrible episode though I've been liking S2 better.
Brilliant episode. This will be a classic 50 years from now.
The Ba'ul's stronghold looks like something i've seen in another sci-fi show.
Nice catch. I was thinking similar things and wondered why it looked like a Stargate ship to me. All it needed was a great big pyramid in the middle.
I liked this episode but I wonder if this is the last we see of the Ba'ul. We got a fairly nice wrap up but never heard from them again once the ship had gone dark. Are they now packing their bags to leave. I have very different thoughts about how to handle a bully species that genocides another one because of convenience.
But yeah I was hoping for some final words from them but nothing, nada, zilch. So I do hope it is followed up at a later point and not just forgotten. What will the Kelpians now do with the stronghold ship?
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