And isn't Vulcan already destroyed by the time Kelvin-2257 rolls around?
Is Discovery about to involve Time Travel and also Picard.
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Nah, Vulcan was destroyed in 2258
Oh, FFS...
Can we not have ONE DAY without someone typing that nonsense?
Nope.
The Angels/red spots don't seem to be involved based on the trailer.I forgot to add, I DON'T think Picard is gonna show up in this weeks episode.
(but I do still believe Time-Travel will be involved)
When you got a multi-verse they are all kind of in the prime universe. There is a difference between a alternate universe and a remake. That's how we get the mirror universe and the Kelvin Universe. There is no reason they can't say this this universe was another universe created via time travel like the Kelvin Universe. Perhaps the Red Angels altered the Prime timeline at some point creating this new universe. Or they can just keep pretending it's the same ole Prime Universe. It's all fiction and make believe. They got options to do whatever they think would be the best idea.
Jason
Jason
Yes, in fact, this is what they're doing. Although they're not pretending. It IS the Prime universe.
T
Maybe. We don't know their full intent. Maybe they started off with that idea but have changed their minds or maybe they always planned to do some changed timeline story. Maybe they do want this to be Prime. Most of the juicy stuff won't really be known until years after the show is off the air and people start to spill the beans on whatever behind the scene secrets might be going on.
Jason
Maybe. We don't know their full intent. Maybe they started off with that idea but have changed their minds or maybe they always planned to do some changed timeline story. Maybe they do want this to be Prime. Most of the juicy stuff won't really be known until years after the show is off the air and people start to spill the beans on whatever behind the scene secrets might be going on.
Jason
This is specifically true, IMO what is in doubt is whether the Prime Timeline is the post-TOS timeline or not, and if so, what changed the timeline to cause it.
IMO, three mutually non-exclusive possiblities are: the "red angels", Borg involvement in the events of 'First Contact' and/or the Temporal Cold War.
Because honestly, the main explicit requirement of "Prime" is that it is "not-Kelvin" rather than anything else (as the contrast is the only other occassion when the term is used).
Yeah.. The canon vs prime debate
They say it's in the Prime universe as well. That's hard to believe given the sheer level of incongruity. and it makes more sense that DSC is in the same universe as the Kelvin movies.
Incongruity not involving set design differences, but characters' mannerisms and technology relative to the time period it alleges to be in.
Or there's some big disaster waiting that justifies all these technologies being lost, to the point it horrifies TOS Spock that he never brings up anything or anybody from the past. Apart from "The Cage". Which reminds me, along with the Genesis schematics, transwarp from ST III, transporters used to de-age people or used as a stasis field, etc, how many technologies every other Trek franchise came up then ditched... so DSC is acquitted in that regard.Ditto for callbacks; the 80s movies and TNG had a few in there. We've just never seen future technology being a "callback". Or "callforward"? So in terms of callbacks, DSC is being innovative. Assuming people like callbacks being flaunted so garishly.
Why is it so hard to accept that a television series made in 2017/18/19 is not going to look like a series made n the 1960's? Who cares if the tech doesn't look the same when it's the story and the characters that really matter? How does the way Discovery looks impact your enjoyment of TOS?
I think we should be past the issue of whether or not the show is the prime universe or not. The question is if even if they started out wanting it to be prime why can't they change their minds? Time travel and and alternate universes like the Kelvin Universe show that this show doesn't half to be Prime if they don't want it to be.
The Red Angels and the time travel thing THEY brought up within the show opens the door up to the possibility of change. Who knows maybe they even planned it since the beginning. Make enough changes to make it feel different but also don't toss in enough changes so people can maybe buy into the idea that is Prime but simply updated for the modern era.
I think it would be awesome if the season ended with Pike or Spock or maybe the Enterprise being destroyed! A shocking moment where we find out everything has changed and who knows what it now means for the future. We then spend the next year speculating on what it all means for season 3. Maybe KIrk shows up as a space pirate or something as a kind of additional hook for season 3.
Jason
The Red Angels and the time travel thing THEY brought up within the show opens the door up to the possibility of change. Who knows maybe they even planned it since the beginning. Make enough changes to make it feel different but also don't toss in enough changes so people can maybe buy into the idea that is Prime but simply updated for the modern era.
I think it would be awesome if the season ended with Pike or Spock or maybe the Enterprise being destroyed! A shocking moment where we find out everything has changed and who knows what it now means for the future. We then spend the next year speculating on what it all means for season 3. Maybe KIrk shows up as a space pirate or something as a kind of additional hook for season 3.
Jason
Yes. It is decidedly Prime.
How can you contradict yourself in consecutive sentences? The only person suggesting that they might have changed their mind is you.
What CBS says: It’s the Prime universe.
What CBS really means: It’s not the same universe as the Kelvin movies.
What the trufans think: OMG, CBS actually cares about the Prime Universe!
What the trufans are in denial about: CBS only cares about differentiating their product from some other product that looks like it and shares the same name. They don’t really care about the “prime” universe anywhere near as much as the fans believe, and only use the word “prime” as a buzzword for that differentiation.
What CBS really means: It’s not the same universe as the Kelvin movies.
What the trufans think: OMG, CBS actually cares about the Prime Universe!
What the trufans are in denial about: CBS only cares about differentiating their product from some other product that looks like it and shares the same name. They don’t really care about the “prime” universe anywhere near as much as the fans believe, and only use the word “prime” as a buzzword for that differentiation.
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*rolls his eyes*
*leaves thread*
*hands out tin foil hats for everyone who wishes to participate in this conversation*
*leaves thread*
*hands out tin foil hats for everyone who wishes to participate in this conversation*
Given the absolute glut of incoming Trek shows (all of which I anxiously await and hope come to fruition), I fully expect CW-type crossovers between *all* of them.
And this being Star Trek, time travel and reality bending aliens will be involved. And toss in someone unexpected from Enterprise or Deep Space 9.
And this being Star Trek, time travel and reality bending aliens will be involved. And toss in someone unexpected from Enterprise or Deep Space 9.
CBS: We can do whatever we want, but marketing says he have to call it "Prime Universe"
Probably.
Probably.
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I'm not saying they changed their mind. Only it's a possibility. I would say right now it is also Prime but decidedly Prime seems a little much. For to be Decidedly Prime you wouldn't even have people debating it's Prime. People would just tune in and within moments say 'Well this is oviously set around the TOS time." The connection between TNG/DS9/Voyager were way stronger than this show's connection to TOS is. For this to be prime you got to do more head canoning and requires more of a suspension of disbelief that we have seen before.
None of that is the point though. The point is they can take the lack of visual connections and use it as a strength beyond simply offering top level Special Effects. You can use it for story material but creating a altered timeline and milking story potential out that kind of change. Basically doing some "Sliders" type of stuff were things are somewhat the same but also different and having fun with that.
Jason
