Yeah. I guess the way I view it is that I hated the idea of S31 in this show, but so far the way they've executed the concept makes me kind of like it.
That is impressive enough for me
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x05 - "Saints of Imperfection"
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Yeah. I guess the way I view it is that I hated the idea of S31 in this show, but so far the way they've executed the concept makes me kind of like it.
That is impressive enough for me
Well if they killed the gay only to bring him back just to kill him again, the writers would deserve every criticism they got, especially because, in this case, they would have literally buried him - at least in a Treknobabble spacey sense.
I didn't even mention how happy I am that Culber is back. I really thought (even before the episode) that he'd just be an after-image in the network that Stamets would interact with. The fact that they brought him back, in at least as plausible a manner that Spock was resurrected, pleases me no end.
The Burnham Monologues are back. I hope that ends with Berg and Whatshisname's departure.
Not my favorite episode this season but I am very glad they got Culber back. I liked the episode, just not in love with it. I'll give it a 7, leaning to 6. I might like it better on rewatch, but it's good enough. They can't all be like last week's.
I don't care for the Section 31 stuff, but I'm glad that I was right about Admiral Cornball being a morally challenged character. I still think she becomes Lethe.
Can someone tell me how the Section 31 ship half-jumped with discovery into the Spore network, or did I miss something?
I liked the Scorpion reference. Pike as always is awesome. TyVoq just seems like kind of a pointless paperweight this season. Why is he still on the payroll?
Not my favorite episode this season but I am very glad they got Culber back. I liked the episode, just not in love with it. I'll give it a 7, leaning to 6. I might like it better on rewatch, but it's good enough. They can't all be like last week's.
I don't care for the Section 31 stuff, but I'm glad that I was right about Admiral Cornball being a morally challenged character. I still think she becomes Lethe.
Can someone tell me how the Section 31 ship half-jumped with discovery into the Spore network, or did I miss something?
I liked the Scorpion reference. Pike as always is awesome. TyVoq just seems like kind of a pointless paperweight this season. Why is he still on the payroll?
Only half of Discovery was in the spore Force. They were still in n space.
Thanks. that makes sense then.
I wonder if it has to do with her knowing the next 10 years of Prime history from the Defiant Data Banks. Perhaps the there is nothing about her there and she wants to know why.
That's a good point. I had not considered that..
Between that, and the sentimental angle I noted a moment ago...hmmm.
I liked the Titanic-style sinking effects they used for the plunge into the Mycelial Network. Maybe it was a bit too literal, but it was effective at conveying tension. Similarly, the Tron forest looked cool. Would have liked to have spent more time there. Visually, this episode was spectacular.
I'm not entirely sold on how they handled Culber's return, but I'm not sure I could be. It was a mistake to kill him in the first place, especially since they really did nothing with it. Starting to feel like a lot of time in season two is being spent cleaning up messes from season one. It's not helping that the Spock plot has gone nowhere.
The Section 31 business added nothing for me. Everything involving them has felt shoehorned in this season, and their screentime here could have been better used in service of the main story, I thought. So far they seem cartoonishly goofy -- the same sort of silly mustache twirling that marred the end of season one. I can't say I wanted more of that, or for it to become a staple of the series.
I'm not entirely sold on how they handled Culber's return, but I'm not sure I could be. It was a mistake to kill him in the first place, especially since they really did nothing with it. Starting to feel like a lot of time in season two is being spent cleaning up messes from season one. It's not helping that the Spock plot has gone nowhere.
The Section 31 business added nothing for me. Everything involving them has felt shoehorned in this season, and their screentime here could have been better used in service of the main story, I thought. So far they seem cartoonishly goofy -- the same sort of silly mustache twirling that marred the end of season one. I can't say I wanted more of that, or for it to become a staple of the series.
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I think that one has to remember that a bunch of TOS was actually written by well known Science Fiction Writers of that time period.
That in itself, would give a completely different flavor to it, as compared to later shows.
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On the other hand, it's perhaps worth noting that those particular well-known SF Writers were not exactly known for their rigorous Hard SF. Harlan Ellison, Richard Matheson, Theodore Sturgeon, Norman Spinrad, Jerome Bixby, Robert Bloch . . . all great writers, but they all straddled the sf/fantasy/horror line. It's not as though TOS was being written by Hal Clement or Arthur C. Clarke or whomever.
As for definitions, Campbellian "Hard SF" is just one variety of science fiction, as suggested by the fact that it needs an adjective to distinguish it from other kinds of science fiction. To my mind, "science fiction" is a big umbrella that encompasses everything from Ray Bradbury to Larry Niven, from Jules Verne to Ursula K. Le Guin and Gene Wolfe. Analog-style hard sf does not define the entire genre.
(I confess I'm more of a Weird Tales guy myself.)
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I would say they didn’t want to mess with the timeline but this is set before all those rules were put in place. S31 must have just hid the information.
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