Theory why spore drive isn‘t used later on in Star Trek Universe

[Timo]

Well, everything is the original timeline - that's the premise of making Star Trek spinoffs. What sells is seeing Kirk, Spock and the Klingons, and naturally this thus is what we always get. DSC is demonstrably not an exception now, while certain other spinoffs (ENT) took their sweet time getting there, others got there immediately against the creators' original wishes (TNG), and some never quite managed it but OTOH never managed to convince the audience otherwise, either (TOS movies).

Timo Saloniemi

 

[MakeshiftPython]

you've lost me - this is the original timeline.

From what I understand Midnight's Edge is trying to kickstart this idea among fandom that "prime timeline" is actually separate from the "original timeline" that consists of TOS-ENT.

This is just their way of trying to dismiss DIS as "true Star Trek".

 

[F. King Daniel]

From what I understand Midnight's Edge is trying to kickstart this idea among fandom that "prime timeline" is actually separate from the "original timeline" that consists of TOS-ENT.

This is just their way of trying to dismiss DIS as "true Star Trek".

While I see Disco as a reboot-prequel thing along the lines of Gotham, it's as much "True Trek" as any of the others.

 

[Timo]

^^Which I consider wasted effort: it never took any special trick to declare the Turd Season "not true Star Trek"!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Hythlodeus]

in the CBS prime timeline like it did in the original timeline.

You should really stop taken dosages of Midnight's Edge. That stuff isn't good for your mental health

 

[MakeshiftPython]

While I see Disco as a reboot-prequel thing along the lines of Gotham, it's as much "True Trek" as any of the others.

My point is Midnight’s Edge and the like has this dogmatic stance that anything not part of the “original” timeline is not “True Trek”. This is the mentality they had about Kelvin timeline not being “True Trek”, not merely because of disagreements over writing, directing, etc but merely because it’s not “original timeline”. Even if the greatest Trek film ever made was set in Kelvin timeline it would not be “true”.

I’ve had my issues with Kelvin films, but simply not being set in the “prime”, “original” or whatever asinine term was NOT on the radar for me. I’m sure they’ll argue the new Picard series is “not True Trek” just for including Romulus’ destruction, unless they already have.

 

[Alan Roi]

^^Which I consider wasted effort: it never took any special trick to declare the Turd Season "not true Star Trek"!

Timo Saloniemi

Which "Turd Season" though? Season 3 of TOS? The first 2 and last 2 seasons of TNG? The first 2 of DS9, Arguably all of both VOY and ENT except for maybe 1 season each? There's been a whole lot of less than stellar Star Trek produced over the years.

 

[Timo]

I guess my point was that the tradition began early on. And also that there's little need for formal excuses when drawing a line between "true" and "false" Trek.

It's just that drawing these lines would appear to be frustrating (I wouldn't know, I've never tried) when the writers in turn do their damnedest to draw thick lines of interdependence from one Trek incarnation to another... But perhaps the challenge makes it worth the while?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Attentiveluke]

My point is Midnight’s Edge and the like has this dogmatic stance that anything not part of the “original” timeline is not “True Trek”.

My argument isn’t about whether DIS is ‘true Trek’ or not; but whether it is in the same timeline as Trek made between TOS and VOY which I and some others believe it isn’t. People on these forums who say DIS is part of the original timeline have only got CBS’s(the money making entity) word for that...

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

You should really stop taken dosages of Midnight's Edge. That stuff isn't good for your mental health

I want brains now.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

My argument isn’t about whether DIS is ‘true Trek’ or not; but whether it is in the same timeline as Trek made between TOS and VOY which I and some others believe it isn’t.

I wasn't talking about your argument, I was talking about Midnight Edge's, who've always gone with the conceit that anything not part of the original timeline is something disregarded by fans. Now they're saying "oh, Prime wasn't the original timeline all along, it was actually ANOTHER timeline" as a way of dismissing DIS, just as they have dismissed the Kelvin films.

People on these forums who say DIS is part of the original timeline have only got CBS’s(the money making entity) word for that...

There's more than just the people on these forums. I also have DIS itself to go on. Until it does something incredibly contradictory to lore, like permanently killing off a character or blowing up a planet that's supposed to be around by TOS or beyond, DIS's standing in canon is pretty sound.

 

[SG-17]

Do we have any reference points to know if the Spore Drive is faster and more efficient than Transwarp in conventional space?

 

[XCV330]

Do we have any reference points to know if the Spore Drive is faster and more efficient than Transwarp in conventional space?

They've both been shown to have infinite or near-infinite velocity, but transwarp corridor drives seem to be range limited (depending, as always, on the needs of the plot), or else the Borg could have moved beyond their relatively limited area of control (considering they've been there thousands of years).

Spore drive seems to be the same speed but not range limited, though that may be constrained by navigational limitations. Discovery was lucky to obtain some kind of map from the Tardigrade in that regard, and it might be assumed, they are still using it.

Coaxial drive seems to have the near-infinite speed but with range issues resolved.

 

[ED-209]

Stamets was going to close the network in the latest episode till he was stopped by Tilly's ghost.

 

[SG-17]

They've both been shown to have infinite or near-infinite velocity, but transwarp corridor drives seem to be range limited (depending, as always, on the needs of the plot), or else the Borg could have moved beyond their relatively limited area of control (considering they've been there thousands of years).

Spore drive seems to be the same speed but not range limited, though that may be constrained by navigational limitations. Discovery was lucky to obtain some kind of map from the Tardigrade in that regard, and it might be assumed, they are still using it.

Coaxial drive seems to have the near-infinite speed but with range issues resolved.

Well, from what I remember only Borg transwarp required the use of conduits. Nothing was mentioned about conduits in any other discussion of transwarp, not with the Voth or with Federation experiments.

But yeaj, from its single appearance coaxial warp drive seems like the ultimate form of FTL in conventional space.

 

[Timo]

Stamets was going to close the network in the latest episode till he was stopped by Tilly's ghost.

More specifically, he hoped to "close the door" to the network "forever", with the help of some "calculations". Which is good because he supposedly was trying to protect the network from future use rather than further manipulate it.

Was Stamets going to sabotage everybody's attempts at using the network for travel, or just Starfleet's? In our universe or all of them? In our galaxy only? We have no idea. But engaging in anything momentous here would be a supremely bad idea: Stamets has no idea whether May's folks are black hats or white hats yet, and in any case, there's no hurry. Only the use of the network is supposed to hurt May's people, as per her words, not the potential for use.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ED-209]

I assume the whole thing, it would explain why Voyager didn't use it. Or any other powers

 

[Attentiveluke]

There's more than just the people on these forums. I also have DIS itself to go on. Until it does something incredibly contradictory to lore, like permanently killing off a character or blowing up a planet that's supposed to be around by TOS or beyond, DIS's standing in canon is pretty sound.

I don’t see why having watched DIS you can believe it will seamlessly lead into TOS which leads to TNG etc without some major changes going forward. Will the USS Enterprise shrink in size?. Will Klingons radically change appearance?. Will trek tech become less advanced and more analogue?. Will Harry Mudd mellow and go from a homicidal maniac to a con artist?. Etc etc. These things and many more will need to be addressed in the next couple of seasons (if DIS is renewed that is) if it is to match up....

 

[Timo]

Isn't that the bread and butter of watching Trek, though? Klingons are always radically changing their appearance. Ships look different whenever you blink. Technology in a prequel may appear as if from a sequel. And a character may get written by sixteen people who all have different ideas.

It's the sum total of this that becomes Trek, along with all the intriguing lacunae left in it. I just can't wrap myself around the idea that DSC would somehow be a special case here.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I don’t see why having watched DIS you can believe it will seamlessly lead into TOS which leads to TNG etc without some major changes going forward. Will the USS Enterprise shrink in size?. Will Klingons radically change appearance?. Will trek tech become less advanced and more analogue?. Will Harry Mudd mellow and go from a homicidal maniac to a con artist?. Etc etc. These things and many more will need to be addressed in the next couple of seasons (if DIS is renewed that is) if it is to match up....

I have an imagination that can reconcile those, just as I did regarding other changes between the shows TOS and ENT. I don’t require two part episode explanations to suspend my disbelief. All those examples you provided? They’re not deal breakers.