That was O'Brien. Bashir's suggestion was a virus. Though Dax earlier in the episode attributed Darvin's appearance to surgery.
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In that case, see my earlier comment about forward change being far less jarring and making a lot more sense than backward.
They are writing their own story and ignoring anything that doesn't fit into it, hence my belief it's a de facto reboot which they call "prime universe" because market research probably told them it would get a few more subs. Nothing wrong with the former, but trying to force it into the latter does a massive disservice especially to TOS.
Sorry, O'Brien. Genetic engineering was suggested as a possible reason for the Klingon change (and later solidified in ENT)
Which every star trek series and movie has done.
Nah it was a virus, like Bashir said.
It seems to me the lineage Discovery has chosen to follow is: ENT, DSC, TOS Films, TNG, Post-TNG. If you bypass TOS itself, I can see the look of DSC largely leading up to the films. That's pretty much how I view it.
The Discovery would not look out-of-place next to the Refit Enterprise and the Starfleet ships we see in DSC look like modified versions of the Movie Era.
As far as what timeline the show is in, they could say Discovery takes place in the Hopscotch Timeline and I'd still like it. It wouldn't change my opinion of the show. I don't think it has to be Prime, but it's also not a big enough issue to me where I'll jump up and say, "I don't care what Kurtzman says! It's not Prime!"
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No, that's only a concern of over invested fanaticism. There is no forcing of anything into a prime universe. Any prime universe is whatever the producers decide it is, if that is of any concern at all to them. It won't be to any audience at large. TOS? That's just a TV show. Any feelings that it is not being served properly should be referred to the Shatner SNL skit.
That isn't how Canon works.
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It was technically both. It was a mutated virus created from Klingon genetic engineering.
Writers and producers are beholden to the Canon as has been previously established and do not have the authority to "cherry-pick" what they want to adhere to in telling their story.
If the Roddenberry estate were to declare that TOS was no longer Canon, DSC could ignore its events; otherwise, they are beholden to it in its entirety.
If the Roddenberry estate were to declare that TOS was no longer Canon, DSC could ignore its events; otherwise, they are beholden to it in its entirety.
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Nope
Not to this extent.
Augment virus, the result of genetic tampering.
Of course it's just a TV show. This isn't about TOS being sacred or the best show ever or anything like that, I'd feel the same about anything given the same treatment. Why make something a direct-prequel-not-a-reboot-honest if you're just going to change everything about the original?
I always thought it strange in retrospect that the first time we saw that "D7-type" design, it was being used by Romulans.... and then they go ahead and sell it to those treacherous Romulans AS IF IT MEANS NOTHING!
That is, TOS: The Enterprise Incident was the first time we ever saw that consummate "Klingon Ship Design", a design that was a Trekky symbol of everything Klingon --- and Klingons weren't even the ones using it!
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Why make TMP a direct sequel and change everything? Because they could and they wanted to.
Again, TMP went forward. Progress and change go hand in hand. Disco comes right between "The Cage" and TOS. It's like retconning a modern car to fit among 80's vehicles.
I understand you disagree, but I personally have no problem imagining the events of DSC so far transitioning into TOS and beyond.
I don't feel there is anything "non-existing Trek" about the show, other than the set dressings. The ships still have the general Star Trek outline, the people still have general Star Trek sensibilities, the major tech ideas are still in place, and the characters so far don't directly contradict anything we know about the future.
With that in mind, I personally don't see it as a reboot. A reboot would have changed some or all of those aspects I listed into something "non-Trek-like."
Forward doesn't have to mean the next year, decade or Century.
Cars are real.
Star Trek's "history" is fiction.
False analogy.
I'll throw a bone. I do think the Shenzhou looks Post-TNG.
I can rationalize it as they said the Shenzhou is "old", maybe that's how ships looked in the Early-23rd Century and the Late-24th Century is hearkening back to that... or maybe the Shenzhou was a Concept Design kind of like Concept Cars we see today, or a one-off made by a different Starfleet Designer... but, either way, it wouldn't look out of place in First Contact, Insurrection, or Nemesis. It doesn't look like something from the TOS or Kelvin Movies at all. Not even a "modified" version of either.
I can rationalize it as they said the Shenzhou is "old", maybe that's how ships looked in the Early-23rd Century and the Late-24th Century is hearkening back to that... or maybe the Shenzhou was a Concept Design kind of like Concept Cars we see today, or a one-off made by a different Starfleet Designer... but, either way, it wouldn't look out of place in First Contact, Insurrection, or Nemesis. It doesn't look like something from the TOS or Kelvin Movies at all. Not even a "modified" version of either.
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