Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

[Kane_Steel]

Fascinating. You really do believe every far out bullshit that you can find on the internet, do you?

I don't believe what I read on the internet, hence why I'm critical of the whole press release with the trades and the network's corporate practices. I know how the PR game works.

It’s all he has.

Lets lay off the personal comments 'moderator'

I could have made similar comments about you...easily, but I will be above that.

hmm I haven't considered that, kind of scary if that's true. But in a capitalistic world companies have done that. What a deceptive world.

It's a proven tactic done by many studios and networks before. Announcing these things early to build investor confidence. It shouldn't be surprising at this point. Especially with the red flag of the series being years away. It could just as easily be called off in the interim if Discovery isn't doing what they want.

 

[Campe]

I don't believe what I read on the internet,

That's true. You don't believe what you read on the internet. You believe the YouTube videos you watch on the internet. Its a fine difference, but a difference nonetheless.

 

[Mudd]

That's the kind of thing that sounds knowledgable if one knows nothing about the business but is actually empty and inaccurate. Not many things can straddle being both cynical and naive, but this is one.

The timing of announcements like this are done for impact, yes. Nonetheless, the announcements themselves are rarely manufactured or "vaporware."

This is reminiscent of @trevanian's amusingly wrongheaded and ill-informed claims that the announcement of the first Abrams Trek movie was just a publicity stunt for Cloverfield and would never really move forward.

 

[eschaton]

Thinking about it more this morning, what was the point of the Klingon plot? Was it really all just to come up with an excuse to get Ash off of Qonos and ultimately back to Discovery? I hope not, because if that's the case, he could have easily just given two minutes of expository dialogue when he finally showed up, freeing up time in this episode for the other two plots, which seem much more "arc critical."

Also, I reiterate that Stamets is really not being done justice. Just like the end of last season, he seems to only exist in the show to spout technobabble and mourn his dead boyfriend. Please give him at least one more dimension.

Agree with this, but concluding the intercession with grown up spore child May was not a missed opportunity. Tilly no longer wanted to suspend her disbelief with half answers and opaque clues, considering what she was going through. Get out while the getting's good.

It was one of those very "non-Trekkian" decisions the episode made though. In the past if there was an alien entity living as a parasite inside a main cast member and trying to communicate the entire episode (or at least one of the two plots) would be focused on trying to determine what it wants. Here Tilly just ignores everything it says, and wants it out immediately. While an understandable reaction due to visceral horror, it doesn't keep with 'seeking new life."

Enterprise is back too as we will see Number One.

Could be flashback.

He's a shitty father, that's why Sybok turned out so trashy. Spock and Michael are only functional because of Amanda, the galaxy's best mother.

I'm really glad that Voyager seems to indicate Tuvok was an awesome dad, so at least we know not all Vulcan fathers are total shit.

 

[Tuskin38]

Thinking about it more this morning, what was the point of the Klingon plot? Was it really all just to come up with an excuse to get Ash off of Qonos and ultimately back to Discovery? I hope not, because if that's the case, he could have easily just given two minutes of expository dialogue when he finally showed up, freeing up time in this episode for the other two plots, which seem much more "arc critical."

Also, I reiterate that Stamets is really not being done justice. Just like the end of last season, he seems to only exist in the show to spout technobabble and mourn his dead boyfriend. Please give him at least one more dimension.



It was one of those very "non-Trekkian" decisions the episode made though. In the past if there was an alien entity living as a parasite inside a main cast member and trying to communicate the entire episode (or at least one of the two plots) would be focused on trying to determine what it wants. Here Tilly just ignores everything it says, and wants it out immediately. While an understandable reaction due to visceral horror, it doesn't keep with 'seeking new life."



Could be flashback.



I'm really glad that Voyager seems to indicate Tuvok was an awesome dad, so at least we know not all Vulcan fathers are total shit.

L’Rell is most likely going to show up again based on BTS stuff. Plus they’re going to have to show off their shiny new D7 more

 

[juventuz]

I gave it a 4, I don't enjoy the Klingons on Discovery and this didn't do anything to bring me around on them. I'm also not enjoying this Spock storyline so far.

I actually really, really liked last weeks episode. It felt more like Trek to me than most of Discovery has. I was hoping we'd get more stories like that. I know this part of the season is still a remnant from the former show runners, maybe things will turn around in a bit. So far, for me (since I know how touchy people can be here) Discovery is the least favorite of my Trek shows. It has some of the best cinematography, set designs, etc. etc., I'm just not enjoying the stories they've been delivering.

I had hoped that the season would have been more like last weeks episode. More of a one off, yet still have some connection to their overall arc that they're trying to create.

 

[Manchester]

Could those who gave this episode a 9 or 10 tell me how much CBS is paying them and how I can get a piece of the action?


2/10

This is my same thought when people were giving episode 1 9’s and 10’s. It was a good episode but it was no “The Inner Light” or “City on the Edge of Forever”.

 

[Tuskin38]

Could be flashback.

No, Pike is in his DSC uniform

 

[Tuskin38]

Could those who gave this episode a 9 or 10 tell me how much CBS is paying

Or you could just accept that people have different opinions then you.

Don’t need to be a dick about it.

 

[Mr Awe]

Agree with this, but concluding the intercession with grown up spore child May was not a missed opportunity. Tilly no longer wanted to suspend her disbelief with half answers and opaque clues, considering what she was going through. Get out while the getting's good.

Perhaps. They might not have gotten any answers. But, it seems like it would've been worthwhile making the effort. More information is a good thing. To me, this feels like a delay tactic on the writer's part that makes the characters look unintelligent. Um, no, not going to ask it what it wants!

I suspect that they'll come back to this creature and highlight Tilly's need to communicate with it. This will be meeting the unknown that is so important to Starfleet. Kind of like Spock with the Horta.

 

[eschaton]

This is my same thought when people were giving episode 1 9’s and 10’s. It was a good episode but it was no “The Inner Light” or “City on the Edge of Forever”.

People seem to interpret 1-10 scores in different ways. I'm of the opinion that a five is an average episode, a 0 is no redeeming qualities, and a 10 is near perfection that maybe a dozen episodes across all of Trek have reached. FWIW I don't think - despite my issues with the series - I've rated a single episode of Discovery lower than a four, and not rated any higher than eight to date.

Other people may treat it more like it's a grade for a paper though, where anything below a six is a "failure," an average episode gets a seven/eight, and any episode which exceeds expectations gets a nine or 10.

 

[Amaris]

People seem to interpret 1-10 scores in different ways. I'm of the opinion that a five is an average episode, a 0 is no redeeming qualities, and a 10 is near perfection that maybe a dozen episodes across all of Trek have reached. FWIW I don't think - despite my issues with the series - I've rated a single episode of Discovery lower than a four, and not rated any higher than eight to date.

Other people may treat it more like it's a grade for a paper though, where anything below a six is a "failure," an average episode gets a seven/eight, and any episode which exceeds expectations gets a nine or 10.

Yep. FWIW, my scoring system seems a lot like yours, though "New Eden" got a 9 because I was thoroughly enraptured with it (it felt like a modern TOS episode), and it's still my favorite DSC episode-to-date.

Meanwhile, this episode got a 5. It had some good moments in it (mostly Tilly), but the Klingon scenes, Tyler/Voq, Section 31, and the extra gore brought it down for me.

 

[Seven of Five]

7 for me, same as last week.

There was a lot to enjoy this week, it's just a shame we had a bit too much going on. Tilly's story could have done with a bit more breathing space. As it was, it was one of three plots heading towards the end without much focus.

I was a little wary of returning to the Klingons so soon after doing so much in season one. To be fair though, it was like a good old Klingon politics episode from Yor. I like that they're changing their hairstyles to dovetail better into later Trek.

Georgiou saving the day might have been a bit of a random ending to L'Rell's problems, but that was one hell of entrance! It seems like she has her own shiny starship to do mysterious Section 31 deeds on. It's definitely intriguing, it just came across as tacked on.

I liked seeing Amanda again.

 

[Campe]

People seem to interpret 1-10 scores in different ways. I'm of the opinion that a five is an average episode, a 0 is no redeeming qualities, and a 10 is near perfection that maybe a dozen episodes across all of Trek have reached. FWIW I don't think - despite my issues with the series - I've rated a single episode of Discovery lower than a four, and not rated any higher than eight to date.

Other people may treat it more like it's a grade for a paper though, where anything below a six is a "failure," an average episode gets a seven/eight, and any episode which exceeds expectations gets a nine or 10.

Agreed. I just say art is subjective and we all have our own scales. Its not ours to judge how others see something.

 

[Lord Garth]

Off the high of last night. At some point today, I'll put the episode on again to re-watch. The reactions are basically what I expected.

I'd say this is probably the most Season 1-esque episode that Season 2 will be, except the other shoe is bound to drop with L'Rell's Mothership. I don't know if it'll be this season but it's a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off. No pun intended.

There were three storylines: Tilly's, Amanda's, and L'Rell's, with Georgiou making a bad-ass entrance into the scene. Definitely a strong week for the women.

This is also the second week in a row where Burnham isn't prominent. I was right. This show is developing along the lines of Orange Is the New Black where Piper Chapman started off as the main character in Season 1 and the story mostly revolved around her, with it becoming to a lesser degree from Season 2 on. Piper was still main lead but the focus spread out. Same case with Discovery starting in its second season.

 

[Tuskin38]

So Section 31 still seems to be some what secret, Georgiou lied to L'Rell about (from a certain point of view) who she was working for, and Tyler didn't seem to know anything about them other than the Black Badges.

 

[Dave Scarpa]

Life comes at you fast, like a severed fake baby head...

I give it an eight. I do feel like they're moving to make the Klingons a more worthy foe, like they were in TOS and the TOS Films. Aggressive yes, but also very clever, cunning and ruthless, a bit like Kor in TOS. Funny, L'Rell is mocked as a Federation puppet and ultimately she becomes one, admittedly under threat of violence. I feel the thing with the baby could go two ways: he spends the rest of his life as a monk, and we never see him again, or he returns in future in this show or another one. Both seem possible.

Also, we get to see a more traditional D7, although its fancied up with details from the K't'inga much like the Discoprise has features of the Connie refit. Maybe Starfleet will learn of this and be like "We got upgrade our Constitution class"

except that the D7 was shown in Enterprise, Tyler didn't create it

 

[Greg Cox]

The planet the baby Voq was sent to, isn't that the same planet Worf went to and met the Kahless clone? If so was baby Voq one of the Klingons worf met? Also may be why the episode is called "Point of Light"..

The same monastery also figured prominently in a DISCOVERY comic-book mini-series giving the backstory of T'Kuma.

 

[David Brown]

3/10 (and that's being generous)


While last week felt like a return to traditional Star Trek, this episode was unmistakably STD.

All the ugliness of STD s1 was back in full force.

3/10

YT reviews are going to tear this episode a new one.[/QUOTE]



I'm right with you. I was so high on the first two episodes of this season, had even talked it up to a few friends.
The Klingon stuff was dull. Severed baby heads would never have appeared in Roddenberry Star Trek.
I'm really just beside myself they went there.
I really, really like Pike. Let's get back to Discovery and leave these Klingons behind.

 

[cultcross]

After two very strong episodes, this was more of a mixed bag for me.

Plenty I liked, don’t get me wrong. I liked the direction and pacing, I liked the tying together of multiple plots in a well edited way, I thought the Amanda and Burnham storyline was great and enjoyed learning a little more about Amanda’s repressed existence as wife of a Vulcan who claims to love humanity but suppresses what it means. That’s juicier than we’ve got out of that relationship before. As controversial as the rewrite of Spock’s backstory might be, I am enjoying it so far. Lethe and this episode have both felt like very organic additions.

But overall, this felt like a slip backwards to the frantic plot-plot-plot setup of a season 1 episode and the episode seemed to lack a central theme or story focus that the first two had. And the season 1 baggage in the form of Tyler, L’Rell and Georgiou didn’t add much for me. I’m guessing that Tyler is being set up as part of the cast of the Georgiou spin-off but I am truly sick of section 31 and how they now appear to be common knowledge. That part turned me off a lot – it would have been braver of the show to actually go through with L’Rell executing Tyler. While the Klingon stuff was the best Klingon stuff they’ve done to date (except maybe the Kor/Burnham scene) it was still pretty clichéd alien bad guy stuff and I don’t see how it fits into the broader story, which made it hard for me to care very much. It really feels at the moment like they’re only there because they were in season 1.

Still love Tilly, and I can’t believe I hadn’t foreseen that May was the shoulder spore – I guess I was so focused on that being Culber I didn’t consider other options. Tilly and Burnham’s relationship continues to be such a strong partof this show, their mutually supportive trust of each other is great. Wonder where Shoulder Spore will go though – will it just be alien of the week next week, or does that tie in somehow to everything else? It certainly seems connected to the asteroid which was in turn linked to the Angels.

I gave episodes 1 and 2 scores of 8 and 9 respectively so to be fair to them, I’ll give this one a 6. Enjoyable, but nothing special.

This is also the second week in a row where Burnham isn't prominent. I was right. This show is developing along the lines of Orange Is the New Black where Piper Chapman started off as the main character in Season 1 and the story mostly revolved around her, with it becoming to a lesser degree from Season 2 on. Piper was still main lead but the focus spread out. Same case with Discovery starting in its second season.

Well, Burnham was the main character in one plot and a secondary character in another so she was at least the most prominent character. While I agree there is more of an ensemble feel this year, Burnham is still pretty front and centre.