Season 2 Episode 1 is free to watch on the CBS All Access Youtube Channel (USA Only)
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Or people just love some of the other Star Trek shows over STD.
So would you say that most of the criticism of the Michael Burnham character is racist or misogynist?
There's no significant legitimacy to the complaints that she's boring, annoying, uninteresting ect.? Can these criticisms be said without being racist/misogynist?
I love some of the Star Trek shows over the others, yet somehow I manage to live my life without obsessively hatespamming Deep Space Nine, for example.
It is good that you are not a lawyer of those persons:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreX
BTW I remember how well J&S were accepted in some circles so skip this bullshit.
No comment.
STD won't have the same luxury, by bringing in Spock, Pike, Sarek the Enterprise and other TOS staples in, beloved by fans. YT is certainly emboldening those who dislike the series, and giving them a loud voice that will influence others.
Sisko especially, is very well praised by ST fans, who loate Discovery. And yes, some of them are conservative. You'll find that many of the channels that trash Discovery, are praising DS9 and Sisko as brilliant. The alt-right extremist conspiracy is just a poor excuse.
Wow, I searched for "Star Trek Discovery" on YouTube and uncovered nothing but hate... some of it going far beyond constructive criticism, and veering into very scary territory.
If someone who doesn't know anything about Star Trek only had YouTube to go by, they'd think no one was watching and everyone hates the show. I do think that's a problem for not only Disco, but the Star Trek franchise itself.
Are there any YouTube fan channels (not official ones, like news outlets) that actually like the show?
If someone who doesn't know anything about Star Trek only had YouTube to go by, they'd think no one was watching and everyone hates the show. I do think that's a problem for not only Disco, but the Star Trek franchise itself.
Are there any YouTube fan channels (not official ones, like news outlets) that actually like the show?
Trekspertise has been quite positive.
This is why YT is a poor measuring stick for anything. It is a very loud but unearned platform that empowers individuals to destroy whatever they would like to.
Youtube is becoming an extremely influential outlet on the general masses.
That being said, the reviews for "New Eden" were somewhat positive, mainly praising the Pike storyline with the settlement. The YT reviews for "Brother" however veered quite negative.
I believe the majority of these channels are quite fair enough to call out the positives about the series when they happen.
That being said, the reviews for "New Eden" were somewhat positive, mainly praising the Pike storyline with the settlement. The YT reviews for "Brother" however veered quite negative.
I believe the majority of these channels are quite fair enough to call out the positives about the series when they happen.
And that, in of itself, is quite scary.
There's a quote in the end of the movie The Illusionist that kind of sums up my opinion about the masses of Youtube, or at least what the point of view of anyone left at the wheel over there must think
"Everyone's completely incompetent. My father runs the Empire into the ground—no one notices, no one knows anything. I propose to clean up the mess and you thank me by betraying me. ... There's a thousand different voices screaming to be heard and nothing will be done! I've done everything I can. Too much. You're all fools."
Theyll keep making Discovery as long as enough people subscribe to CBS-AA and watch it on Netflix. No amount of crying in YouTube comments sections is going to influence anybody.
When I don't like something, I move on. It must be quite an empty experience to dedicate precious free time to obsessively hating a television show.
We shall see. We've seen how negative buzz and fan reaction has affected properties before, even ST properties.
Let them do their thing. It's healthy for them to express their dislike with the series in that manner. You shouldn't be so insecure with your own love of STD to let others who don't share your opinion bother you.
I do think that Burnham can be critiqued as a character beyond race and/or gender. And I'm both black and a woman myself. There are some critiques I had of the first season, some of which applied to her character. But then, which Trek after TOS had a perfect first season? Or even a good one? That's what none of Disco's critics really address.
I was at SDCC when it was announced that Burnham would be Spock's foster sister. I shuddered. It really worried me that she'd be connected to one of the most iconic characters of the franchise. I wondered about the choice to make her a human that was raised Vulcan -- was it to "tone down" some of the stereotypes of Black women, that we're too emotional, always angry, and unsympathetic? I confess that I was skeptical.
Until "Lethe," I have to admit, I worried about the showrunner's choice. But that episode was amazing. It sold me on Michael's backstory.
Honestly, I don't think it's just Burnham or black women that some folks dislike. Kelvin Trek was all white guys, John Cho, and Zoe Saldana... and we're still hearing about it 10 years later.
What I think is this: Some fans only want new Trek that is Real Trek in their minds -- Star Trek Continues, Axanar, the Orville. And there's no changing their minds. I just hope that the loud outcry on social media doesn't get Disco cancelled. Most Treks need a few seasons to find their feet, and the newest should be allowed to do so as well.
I really don't think that's a healthy release.
There's no insecurity here, merely concern at racist, sexist and obsessive hate of what amounts to light entertainment.
It's not mere coincidence that the level of hate, and the lines being used to express that hate, are the same which have been seen for other franchises which have prominently featured black/female leads.
The Rotten Tomatoes reviews are filled with complaints about "SJWs" and "identity politics".
Trek has always had its intolerant fans - see those who complained about the female kiss in DS9, or who sent hate mail to Fuller at the mere rumour of a gay Voyager character - but they have never been so prominent.
Your opinion. I disagree. Creating entertaining YT content that clearly has a following, makes money, and keeps people engaged is a super creative way to express criticism at a show or film series. I encourage it.
It's certainly more productive than posting here, lol.
Which can't be proven. It's just your personal insinuation. Essentially, you are creating your own concerns.
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