Discovery doesn't have a captain, Saru is still only the first officer. They were on there way to Vulcan to pick up their new captain when the Enterprise showed up.
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Discovery doesn't have a captain, Saru is still only the first officer. They were on there way to Vulcan to pick up their new captain when the Enterprise showed up.
These aren't good excuses. I don't see the need for Pike to be in command of Discovery. Saru is more than capable of taking over the investigation of the red spots, since Pike's ship is being repaired. A Starfleet captain taking command of another vessel, because his ship is being repaired? This strikes me as nothing more than a lame excuse to have Pike as a regular cast member for Season 2. And I find it contrived, since he is supposed to be commander of the Enterprise around this time. This is nothing more than contrived bullshit to me, forced into this series to placate the fans who want some semblance of the past, because they can't deal with anything completely new for the franchise. This is catering to the traditionally minded fans who cling to the familiar.
No, it's not, since Pike was already assigned to study the red bursts and would likely already be briefed on them, since it was a classified nature. He took on the role of mission commander, with Saru commanding Discovery's day to day.
This feels more like looking for an issue to be an issue when there is no issue to take issue with.
Also, placating fans? That is Star Trek's bread and butter. They tried different last season and look at the furor it caused. So, if you are going to be upset about that might as well be upset about the Abrams' films, Generations, First Contact, TNG's episode "Relics," VOY's episode "Flashback," TNG's "Unification" DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" and on and on.
Saru has about six months worth of experience as an XO. Pike is one of Starfleet's most experienced and decorated Captains.
Into the food processing units .... wait, was i suppose to reveal that?
Hell, Spock spends most of the "Galileo Seven" misreading the situation and screwing up because of it. Guy must be an idiot
Well Pike is the captain because the show did want to connect to TOS just like with Spock. I don't see why that is a bad thing because one we have only seen a little from PIke do to him never being a regular before. He is almost like a new character. PLus it looks like Spock will be just different enough with what he is dealing with in regards to the Red Angels and the fact that we will be seeing him interact with Burnham and whole new set of characters before to still be different enough that it can still add depth to the character.
I think the in-universe reason is Saru has never been a captain before and Starfleet felt Pike would be better for the job. It's kind of like how Starfleet choose Jelico to take command of the Enterprise D instead of RIker in "Chain of Command" or maybe it could be even closer to those situations on TNG where a Admiral would show up. The idea is the captain commands the ship but the Admiral is in charge of the overall mission.
Jason
I think the in-universe reason is Saru has never been a captain before and Starfleet felt Pike would be better for the job. It's kind of like how Starfleet choose Jelico to take command of the Enterprise D instead of RIker in "Chain of Command" or maybe it could be even closer to those situations on TNG where a Admiral would show up. The idea is the captain commands the ship but the Admiral is in charge of the overall mission.
Jason
Did DSC need another male lead? Not particularly. They needed and or wanted 2 things: 1) an (arguably unnecessary) connection to TOS and 2) a character that wasn't a total killjoy. If we were going based solely on the second requirement, they probably chose a male because of Cap. PG was basically that already so it drove home a distinction from Cap. (MU) GL and Cap. PG at the same time. Add in that first requirement, and there aren't a lot of TOS name recognition characters who'd fit the bill*, so Pike just fit into their requirements too neatly to not use.
They would have been well off not killing Cap. PG, but having her heavily injured / out of commission for S1 and bringing her back for S2 to fulfill the "Pike" roll, though that would have interfered with the "Darkness, No Parents, Sorta-Mom Died and It's My Fault" Burnham characterization/arc of S1.
*If Number One had a name that everyone knew, she could easily have been that connective character, but Number One wouldn't be Number One if Number One was a Captain. Captain One?
They would have been well off not killing Cap. PG, but having her heavily injured / out of commission for S1 and bringing her back for S2 to fulfill the "Pike" roll, though that would have interfered with the "Darkness, No Parents, Sorta-Mom Died and It's My Fault" Burnham characterization/arc of S1.
*If Number One had a name that everyone knew, she could easily have been that connective character, but Number One wouldn't be Number One if Number One was a Captain. Captain One?
Yes, because Star Trek has never ignored death before...oh wait.
Yeah, just how many redshirts have been mourned over the course of the franchise?
Yeah, Kirk got a memorial service in "The Tholian Web", but Crewman Noname got nothing!
Or what about TWOK? Spock gets a whole funeral, but everyone else killed in that movie? Squat. Well, okay, Scotty cries over Peter Preston, but still no funeral for him.
Before they got Nimoy to direct STIII, they approached George Romero, and a subplot of the film was going to be the Grissom away team dealing with the reanimated zombies of all the corpses they had shot onto Genesis in the funerals that took place before Spock's. Spock was only able to return to normal because of his hybrid biology.
Saavik and David beg to be beamed back up, but JT Esteban won't do it because it's not according to regulations, and in a twist, that's what prevents his ship from being overrun by protomatter zombies. But they eat David's brain as punishment for his hubris. Kirk says "You undead bastards, you ate my son. You undead BASTARDS!".
Kirk beams up Saavik and Spock, but some of the zombies get aboard. Scotty sees his dead nephew reaminated and has some hella PTSD for the next three films. Kirk sets the self destruct, beams everyone over to the Grissom, where Esteban gives him a smug "I told you so" look, and they all fly back to Vulcan to restore Spock's Katra. The end.
Next movie, they're going to go back in time to retrieve some humpback whales and save Earth, but Esteban is all like "Nope, regulations." Earth's oceans get vaporized. Fin.
Esteban was a firm captain that made sure things didn't get done.
to be honest, I'd pay a lot of money to see this movie
Why Pike commands the Discovery is something we haven't been told yet. Which in itself is an explanation of sorts!
Pike is in on a big secret: the Red Things. Everybody on the Discovery is in on a big secret: the Spore Drive. And neither knows about the other big secret (it's hilarious to watch Burnham mansplain the Spore Drive to him and him going "what the what what now?" in utter jaw-dropping silence and then deadpan "Okey-dokey, go ahead"). But their bosses do know. And their bosses would be inclined to marry the two there and then, because they know the Things can only be reached with the Drive.
But as said, this is the bosses making the pairing. The heroes themselves didn't know when getting into this.
Timo Saloniemi
Pike is in on a big secret: the Red Things. Everybody on the Discovery is in on a big secret: the Spore Drive. And neither knows about the other big secret (it's hilarious to watch Burnham mansplain the Spore Drive to him and him going "what the what what now?" in utter jaw-dropping silence and then deadpan "Okey-dokey, go ahead"). But their bosses do know. And their bosses would be inclined to marry the two there and then, because they know the Things can only be reached with the Drive.
But as said, this is the bosses making the pairing. The heroes themselves didn't know when getting into this.
Timo Saloniemi
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