It could be, it would need to extremely condescending though because a lot of men believe that they always know more than women by default.
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So, the male version of "Nagging"...got it.
Considering Star Trek is suppose to be more evolved, I doubt that's what Connolly was thinking. He probably just thinks he is superior to everyone in general.
Star Trek isn’t an accurate depiction of the future, it’s really about the present with allegories about issues today but with a hopeful tone. Like how TOS would comment on racism as an issue mankind had evolved beyond, but it was basically shaming people in the 60s by calling them primitive and unevolved. This is probably meant to shame an certain element of the Trek fandom itself, which is very sexist and would be gatekeepers for what is and isn’t Star Trek. Although it’s common in most fandoms unfortunately.
I know but if you don't respect someone or so value your own opinion because your ego is so big that you are not willing to bend on the idea that you might be wrong that is something that can happen to anyone. People can be very stubborn when they think they are right and many won't back down for anyone. Especially when you are smart enough to usually be the smartest person in a situation. This guy didn't become a science officer on the Enterprise by being a complete idiot. He must have done something to get that posting and that means usually having the right answer. We think he is idiot because he didn't listen to Burnham but you can also sort of see him as being a smart person who let his ego effect his ability to accept any new idea that goes against what he has decided is the truth and he isn't going to let anyone tell him he is wrong. He was also basically ignoring Pike as well and he was his commanding officer. Now maybe it's because she is woman but it can be seen also as just be plain old stubborness especially since we are talking Trek here where humans are kind of evolved out human on human racism and sexism. At the very least it's assumed it's very rare.
Jason
I agree that is the allegory I saw but often people can look at something and come up with their own allegory or find a different meaning in something. Trek not being in a present day setting is great for that. I was thinking of how the Klingons for example in Trek have represented everything from Russians to Vikings to Trumpism to Native Americans to British Royals. People if they want can find their own meanings in most of this stuff.
Jason
"There are still problems here—the show’s reliance on emotionally manipulative scoring and people constantly talking about how wonderful the Discovery is can be hard to swallow at times; and, while it’s clearly not a complaint that’s going to last past this episode, introducing a science officer from the Enterprise who’s a complete a**hole to Burnham solely for the purpose of red-shirting him during an action scene is hacky as hell. We already know Burnham is smart and capable, we don’t need people to underestimate her (or to be repeatedly impressed by her abilities) to make her interesting." - AV Club
Yes, I know it was likely commentary on the vile mansplainer, but aren't there better ways to address problematical splaining than the "hacky as hell" - i.e. with a character who is so one-note, and with a cliche that seems mostly there for laughs (a variation on the red-shirt death from Trek 2009 and many a moviefilm)?
He was also presumably, a high-ranked science officer on the Enterprise, as he was filling in for Mr. Spack, which makes Pike's ship look pretty daft.
Though I will admit that, being from the Mirror Universe, I am a sucker for people exploding in mid-sentence. So I'm ambivalent.
Yes, I know it was likely commentary on the vile mansplainer, but aren't there better ways to address problematical splaining than the "hacky as hell" - i.e. with a character who is so one-note, and with a cliche that seems mostly there for laughs (a variation on the red-shirt death from Trek 2009 and many a moviefilm)?
He was also presumably, a high-ranked science officer on the Enterprise, as he was filling in for Mr. Spack, which makes Pike's ship look pretty daft.
Though I will admit that, being from the Mirror Universe, I am a sucker for people exploding in mid-sentence. So I'm ambivalent.
Hell no, that douche Connelly had it coming
Define the terms "Star Trek" and "evolved" in this context?
Watching the episode I did not find the death funny-at all, so I am at a genuine loss as to the humor people are finding in this scene. It was predictable, as well as unfortunate part of the trope that Star Trek has long used.
I suppose those deaths are humoress too...
I suppose those deaths are humoress too...
Watching the episode I did not find the death funny-at all, so I am at a genuine loss as to the humor people are finding in this scene. It was predictable, as well as unfortunate part of the trope that Star Trek has long used.
I suppose those deaths are humoress too...
Well death can be a great source of dark humor. I would hate to think people are laughing because they think people should really die like that in real life but I don't think most people do. I'm not so sure if was predictable. Mostly because I wasn't even sure if the show was going to poke fun at the redshirt thing in this episode. I thought he would basically be a source of conflict in the episode and be proven wrong or maybe die on the surface. Maybe even be proven right as a twist. The asshole who you expect to be wrong ends up being right is also another way you could play it.
Jason
It can be, but Connelly's death did not strike me with that dark humor.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about Connelly. I'm still wondering why Pike has to remain on Discovery.
Would it have made you feel better if the perfect Pike had warned Connelly? Or if Michael was portrayed by a white actress? Or a white actor?
Because the Enterprise is broken and Starfleet ordered him to investigate the red spots.
That's not a good excuse to me. One, Pike could have remained at Starfleet Headquarters, until the Enterprise was repaired. And two, Starfleet could have ordered the Discovery crew, with Saru in command, to continue investigating the red spots. After all, it's officially supposed to be a science vessel. Right? I don't see the need for Pike in command of that ship.
"Would it have made you feel better if the perfect Pike had warned Connelly? Or if Michael was portrayed by a white actress? Or a white actor?"
What the Devil did you go there for?????
By not including the author of and link to the post in the quote, you make it look like Jayson was the one who said that and not Kane_Steel. It's probably not a good idea to misattribute things when you're insinuating racist and sexist motives.
The Discovery has no Captain at the moment, the Captain of the Enterprise has no working ship at the moment. Pike has orders to investigate the red spots.
It's not rocket surgery
Pike was ordered by Starfleet due to an imminent threat to the Federation. Clearly they are worried enough to not have Pike wait. Whether it is a good enough excuse or not that is perfectly explained in the first episode.
Pike did warn him.
Regardless you are wasting your breath on arguing this point. Individuals are against Michael for a variety of reasons and it will not be changed.
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