Spoilers Do you wish SPOILER had lived? (S2E1 Brother)

[Rahul]

Agree to disagree. Let's move on. No offense to you. I've just spent enough time arguing about this background character.

Yeah, this is just my 2 cents on the issue. Overall, IMO a very, very minor issue in the grander scheme of things - I wouldn't have rated the pilot higher or lower if Conelly had been handled differently.

And most people have already moved on, if they ever even cared in the first place. But the Connelly-issue is still "big enough" so that 2(!) threats have formed around it, and the discussion even taken over the episode-threats to a degree. So there is definitely "something there" why so many people care - and this was just my pet theory as to why.

 

[Campe]

But the Connelly-issue is still "big enough" so that 2(!) threats have formed around it, and the discussion even taken over the episode-threats to a degree. So there is definitely "something there" why so many people care - and this was just my pet theory as to why.

And that's cool, Rahul. (Huh, that rhymes. I'm a poet and I didn't even know it. ) We all have our pet theories. But its the first part of your comment that I think really gets me too. I have my theories as to why its such a big deal but I'd prefer not to get into it. Opens a huge can of worms that isn't worth opening. Have a good day, friend.

 

[Rahul]

And that's cool, Rahul. (Huh, that rhymes. I'm a poet and I didn't even know it. ) We all have our pet theories. But its the first part of your comment that I think really gets me too. I have my theories as to why its such a big deal but I'd prefer not to get into it. Opens a huge can of worms that isn't worth opening. Have a good day, friend.

I don't know. I've seen from the last few pages about "mansplaining" and white-dude stuff. But quite honestly - I think that's more a case of people trying to hijack this topic politically, rather than the original reason this became a topic in the first place...

I thought his death wasn't really handled well, and I certainly don't have problems with Burnham or even sympathy for Conelly. I just like sometimes having an asshole on the cast as well, if it's handled right. And he certainly was that. Maybe I'm just hopelessly optimistic, in that I think a lot of the "Mary Sue"/"SJW"/"femnazi"-stuff is just a very, very tiny ̶m̶̶a̶̶j̶̶o̶̶r̶̶i̶̶t̶̶y̶ minority that is very, very loud, and tries to overtake existing debates with their crude arguments, but should best be ignored.

For references - I'm a guy that didn't like "Last Jedi" either, but because I thought it was simply not a well-put together story. Rey, Fin and Poe OTOH are some of my absolute favourite SW characters. And that 'Solo' - the one movie where they backpedaled, had a generic straight white-guy lead, and a robot mocking "SJWs" - that this was the movie that flopped - IMO strenghtens the theory that - while that reactonary political crap is simply the loudest criticism on the Interwebs - the movies itself just weren't that good regardless of that.

Same for Connelly - he had an entire little sub-plot around him, that overall just wasn't really engaging, and felt a bit like a waste of time.

 

[Campe]

I don't know. I've seen from the last few pages about "mansplaining" and white-dude stuff. But quite honestly - I think that's more a case of people trying to hijack this topic politically, rather than the original reason this became a topic in the first place...

I thought his death wasn't really handled well, and I certainly don't have problems with Burnham or even sympathy for Conelly. I just like sometimes having an asshole on the cast as well, if it's handled right. And he certainly was that. Maybe I'm just hopelessly optimistic, in that I think a lot of the "Mary Sue"/"SJW"/"femnazi"-stuff is just a very, very tiny majority that is very, very loud, and tries to overtake existing debates with their crude arguments, but should best be ignored.

For references - I'm a guy that didn't like "Last Jedi" either, but because I thought it was simply not a well-put together story. Rey, Fin and Poe OTOH are some of my absolute favourite SW characters. And that 'Solo' - the one movie where they backpedaled, had a generic straight white-guy lead, and a robot mocking "SJWs" - that this was the movie that flopped - IMO strenghtens the theory that - while that reactonary political crap is simply the loudest criticism on the Interwebs - the movies itself just weren't that good regardless of that.

Same for Connelly - he had an entire little sub-plot around him, that overall just wasn't really engaging, and felt a bit like a waste of time.

Again, just agreeing to disagree.

 

[Tuskin38]

very tiny majority that is very, very loud,

Tiny majority? It’s that an oxymoron?

 

[shapeshifter]

Listening to him drone on I thought to myself... I'd pay real money if he'd shut up, and then he did. I chuckled at the precise timing of my thoughts and his demise.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

white-dude stuff

What, like snowboarding and listening to the Decemberists?

 

[Rahul]

Tiny majority? It’s that an oxymoron?

lol.
Thank you, fixed it.

What, like snowboarding and listening to the Decemberists?

Winter sports in general. Ordering mayonnaise. Country and Rock music. Doing that funny half-run walk when the light tuns red while crossing the streat. Stealing other people's land. That kind of stuff.

 

[Jayson1]

I must be the only one who thinks he might show back up in ghost form or whatever it is that Tilly's dead friend is. Maybe as a "spirit" to Pike or even Burnham. Heck even Spock. Spock feeling guilty that he died because if he had been on the Enterprise he would have beamed over instead and he wouldn't have ended up as flaming fireball in space.

Jason

 

[Campe]

I must be the only one who thinks he might show back up in ghost form or whatever it is that Tilly's dead friend is. Maybe as a "spirit" to Pike or even Burnham. Heck even Spock. Spock feeling guilty that he died because if he had been on the Enterprise he would have beamed over instead and he wouldn't have ended up as flaming fireball in space.

HE. WAS. A. REDSHIRT.

 

[Jayson1]

HE. WAS. A. REDSHIRT.

Possible and most likely but if your going to bring back dead people he could also be someone your setting up for a bigger role down the line. In fact some characters end up getting more to do after they die than when they were alive. Artz blew up on "Lost" then came back for like 5 more episodes in either flashbacks or the alternate heaven or whatever that was suppose to be.

Jason

 

[Lord Garth]

Possible and most likely but if your going to bring back dead people he could also be someone your setting up for a bigger role down the line. In fact some characters end up getting more to do after they die than when they were alive. Artz blew up on "Lost" then came back for like 5 more episodes in either flashbacks or the alternate heaven or whatever that was suppose to be.

Slow day?

 

[Campe]

Possible and most likely but if your going to bring back dead people he could also be someone your setting up for a bigger role down the line. In fact some characters end up getting more to do after they die than when they were alive. Artz blew up on "Lost" then came back for like 5 more episodes in either flashbacks or the alternate heaven or whatever that was suppose to be.

1. Arzt at least had a few onscreen appearances before he died (three to be precise: "Born to Run" and "Exodus," Parts 1 and 2).
2. This is not LOST.
3. Despite the color of his shirt, Connolly was still a redshirt.
4. Connolly is dead.
5. Tilly has a reason for seeing her friend. She touched the dark matter, which seems to have affected her in someway.
6. Tilly does not have any remorse for the death of her friend because she didn't know until she asked.
7. Pike and Burnham likely don't have too much remorse at the death of Connolly. The jackass just didn't listen to reason because he was arrogant.
8. He was a one-off character with fifteen lines and a few scenes.
9. Did I mention, Connolly was a dead redshirt?!?

I really don't understand why people are trying to make him more than he was intended to be.

 

[Jayson1]

1. Arzt at least had a few onscreen appearances before he died (three to be precise: "Born to Run" and "Exodus," Parts 1 and 2).
2. This is not LOST.
3. Despite the color of his shirt, Connolly was still a redshirt.
4. Connolly is dead.
5. Tilly has a reason for seeing her friend. She touched the dark matter, which seems to have affected her in someway.
6. Tilly does not have any remorse for the death of her friend because she didn't know until she asked.
7. Pike and Burnham likely don't have too much remorse at the death of Connolly. The jackass just didn't listen to reason because he was arrogant.
8. He was a one-off character with fifteen lines and a few scenes.
9. Did I mention, Connolly was a dead redshirt?!?

I really don't understand why people are trying to make him more than he was intended to be.

Because we are Trek fans. We still try and figure out stuff like UESPA. No detail to small to obsess over. No character to insignificant. Like say, Captain Esteban and his love for protocol that got himself killed. It's in our blood! It's gives purpose to our life that no loved one or job can do. Plus it's just a stray thought I had a few days ago and I thought I would post it before I go get something to eat and watch some tv. Don't believe me! You just listed 9 reasons why he doesn't matter which proves to us nerds he does matter.

Jason

 

[Campe]

Because we are Trek fans. We still try and figure out stuff like UESPA. No detail to small to obsess over. No character to insignificant. Like say, Captain Esteban and his love for protocol that got himself killed. It's in our blood! It's gives purpose to our life that no loved one or job can do. Plus it's just a stray thought I had a few days ago and I thought I would post it before I go get something to eat and watch some tv. Don't believe me! You just listed 9 reasons why he doesn't matter which proves to us nerds he does matter.

I have to admit, this did make me smile.
Also makes me want to pull my hair out, but alas...

 

[Nyotarules]

Nah I was happy when he snuffed it tbh. But, I thought it was a bit mean how the crew barely mourned his death. Obviously, they all felt the same way I guess xD

There were only two deaths mourned in the whole franchise, Spock and Tasha Yar, everyone else got the one second memorial.

P.S I should say 3 deaths Jadzia in DS9

 

[Nerys Myk]

There were only two deaths mourned in the whole franchise, Spock and Tasha Yar, everyone else got the one second memorial.

We'll never forget what's his name.

 

[dahj]

We'll never forget what's his name.

Mayweather isn't dead.

 

[Rahul]

I must be the only one who thinks he might show back up in ghost form or whatever it is that Tilly's dead friend is. Maybe as a "spirit" to Pike or even Burnham. Heck even Spock. Spock feeling guilty that he died because if he had been on the Enterprise he would have beamed over instead and he wouldn't have ended up as flaming fireball in space.

Jason

Huh? Never thought about that. But now that you say it, I really ylike that idea! Have a weird space phenomen with angels and ghosts of dead people showing up. And then it's an asshole. I love it.

Mayweather isn't dead.

Mayweather's best character episode was the one where he was dead and everybody was mourning him.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Mayweather isn't dead.

Who?