It is what it is. When the Oscars choose to ignore such cultural zeitgeist event movies, they get called pretentious. This time they chose not to ignore it.
It's not going to win anyway...
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It is what it is. When the Oscars choose to ignore such cultural zeitgeist event movies, they get called pretentious. This time they chose not to ignore it.
It's not going to win anyway...
I totally get the cultural impact and I’m genuinely pleased that it resonated with so many people. Does that make it an Oscar-worthy film or one of the ten best films of the year. Not in my opinion. A good film, yes, but, like Garak, I also don’t think it was as good as IW, either in terms of script, spectacle, ambition or execution.
I don't know if I would have nominated for best picture either, but I sure am enjoying the vinegar of The usual suspects.
Yeah I've been wondering if this is a historic moment for superhero movies in general, or if BP is simply lightning in a bottle.
Most Marvel movies are like McDonalds. They're usually crappy, but entertaining enough to be "filling." Black Panther was a cut above. It wasn't McDonalds, but perhaps "Boston Market" level food. But Best Picture? What the actual hell is the Academy smoking? For what it's worth, I feel the same about Bohemian Rhapsody. That too didn't deserve its Golden Globe OR Oscar nod. It's pretty good, but just a notch above TV movie material.
It's worth noting that every so often the Oscars do this. Rocky is perhaps the most famous example. 1977 was a STACKED year, but Rocky won. Primarily because of the feel-good, cultural impact it made.
It's worth noting that every so often the Oscars do this. Rocky is perhaps the most famous example. 1977 was a STACKED year, but Rocky won. Primarily because of the feel-good, cultural impact it made.
Aren't Oscars awarded via a vote by Academy members? Rocky won because more people within the academy thought it was the best picture than any other movie. Simple as that.
And Star Trek 2009 won for make up too. Winning is winning.
After how the The Dark Knight snubbed for the nomination 10 years ago. Given Hollywood's history with black and brown representation and previous years of #oscarssowhite. You don't think it's a little bit patronizing to have Black Panther elevated to such a position? It's like a sympathy vote and nomination. Like an admission that nothing has changed in Hollywood. They know they have problems, but they care about perception and are willing to anoint a popular movie to help cast off any aspersions people have.
To be expected though. It wouldn't be Hollywood without performance art.
I’m a massive Queen fan and while I’d say Rami Malek’s performance is Oscar-worthy, I don’t think the film overall was (the concert scenes were admittedly electrifying).
Of course, I normally moan about the best actor award going to a biopic every year, but this year I’ll be a massive hypocrite and swallow my words if he wins.
Of course, I normally moan about the best actor award going to a biopic every year, but this year I’ll be a massive hypocrite and swallow my words if he wins.
Who is outraged? On this thread anyway? Disagreeing with a choice is hardly outrage.
Words like "ridiculous" are being thrown around, and a certain poster suggested that the academy was bribed, and then it was also suggested that race was the only reason for the nom. I am hoping these same people had the same reactions to 2015 when The Martian and Mad Max were both nominated.
Yes....disagreement is "racism." Grow up, or at least buy a dictionary. This is exactly why discourse today has broken down so much. I say Black Panther was a cut above most Marvel movies, but not worthy of Best Picture, therefore that's "racist."
Yes, that makes TONS of sense.
Did you feel the same about "The Martian" because it's also a cut above most space movies, but not worthy of best picture. If you did, you are not included in my statement. If you didn't then you are a racist.Yes....disagreement is "racism." Grow up, or at least buy a dictionary. This is exactly why discourse today has broken down so much. I say Black Panther was a cut above most Marvel movies, but not worthy of Best Picture, therefore that's "racist."
Yes, that makes TONS of sense.
Since you are offended, clearly you are a racist.
And Star Trek 2009 won for make up too. Winning is winning.
After how the The Dark Knight snubbed for the nomination 10 years ago. Given Hollywood's history with black and brown representation and previous years of #oscarssowhite. You don't think it's a little bit patronizing to have Black Panther elevated to such a position? It's like a sympathy vote and nomination. Like an admission that nothing has changed in Hollywood. They know they have problems, but they care about perception and are willing to anoint a popular movie to help cast off any aspersions people have.
To be expected though. It wouldn't be Hollywood without performance art.
Ledger's posthumous Oscar was also a sympathy vote and nomination.
Outside forces will always play a part in who gets these nominations.
Black Panther wins by all measurable standards;
- 97% Critical Consensus
- 1.3 Billion WW
- 700M Domestic
- A+ Cinemascore showing strong audience WOM
With all those accolades, if BP wasn't nominated..the Academy would definitely face significant backlash. BP earned it's place.
I myself enjoyed Mad Max but thought it overrated too and didn't agree with its nomination. I thought The Martian was better than either MM or BP, in terms of the script, ensemble and directing, not to mention Damon's engaging performance.
But all these comparisons aren't especially helpful as we're dealing with different years where there are different competing films. One year might have fewer competitors than other. Whereas this year, there's the obvious comparison of Infinity War, which I personally feel was a better film but wasn't nominated.
If it had to single out a creative/performance, as oppose to technical, oscar nod for BP if would've been Michael B. Jordan for best supporting actor. But the academy disagreed with me there too
But all these comparisons aren't especially helpful as we're dealing with different years where there are different competing films. One year might have fewer competitors than other. Whereas this year, there's the obvious comparison of Infinity War, which I personally feel was a better film but wasn't nominated.
If it had to single out a creative/performance, as oppose to technical, oscar nod for BP if would've been Michael B. Jordan for best supporting actor. But the academy disagreed with me there too
His Oscar for best supporting actor was a way to honor the man and a tribute to his work. Something he would never get to enjoy the celebration of.
The Star Wars and other Marvel movies have similar attributes. None of them were ever nominated for best picture. No one ever complains that these films aren't nominated either. No salt here, mate. But BP must be nominated for some reason. We've been hearing for months that Disney was submitting BP for an Academy Award. And like you said, given the current climate in Hollywood. BP's nomination for Best Picture seems like a political move.
Nice try. The very first Star Wars movie was nominated for best picture.
I was massively disappointed in The Martian. After reading the book, I thought the movie would be tremendous, but after so many cuts to dramatic parts of the story, the movie was gutted.
And yes, clearly I am a racist. My girlfriend is Indian, but clearly I am a racist. Bozo.
I was massively disappointed in The Martian. After reading the book, I thought the movie would be tremendous, but after so many cuts to dramatic parts of the story, the movie was gutted.
And yes, clearly I am a racist. My girlfriend is Indian, but clearly I am a racist. Bozo.
That last part was tongue in cheek, but you using the "some of my best friends are ____" defense is kind of concerning.