News Kurtzman: Brother Sets Up Entire Season of Discovery

[Timo]

That Sarek fared even that well in parenting is a miracle unto itself. Human kids are monstrous enough until they learn the utility of social graces. Vulcans are supposed to be much worse by nature, though. I really think we saw Spock in one of his better moods in "Brother", and that was exceptionally serene and polite for a Vulcan child in general!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[LizStargaryen]

That Sarek fared even that well in parenting is a miracle unto itself. Human kids are monstrous enough until they learn the utility of social graces. Vulcans are supposed to be much worse by nature, though. I really think we saw Spock in one of his better moods in "Brother", and that was exceptionally serene and polite for a Vulcan child in general!

Timo Saloniemi

Yes! I'm so confused by those who think Spock was OOC in 2x01. He seems consistent with the kid we saw in Yesteryear and the 2009 movie. Granted, neither of those are Primeverse canon, but Vulcan children haven't yet mastered their emotions.

I don't blame him for resenting this strange girl, who's a big kid (4 years' age difference is huge when you're little) and 100% human besides. If he's already starting to grapple with what it means to be both human and Vulcan, human Michael may seem as much of a threat as the Vulcan bullies at school.

I'm endlessly intrigued by this family's dynamic. Can't wait to see more.

 

[Kor]

Seeing as how this show is serialized, I would sure hope that the first episode sets up the entire season.

Kor

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yesteryear and the 2009 movie. Granted, neither of those are Primeverse canon

Yesteryear is prime, because TAS is prime...now.

The only reason TAS' canonicity was ever in doubt was because of Gene Roddenberry - and Richard Arnold - saying it wasn't. Now that Gene has passed, and Arnold is long gone, the series is back in canon. References to it have popped up in many Trek shows since.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yesteryear is prime, because TAS is prime...now.

The only reason TAS' canonicity was ever in doubt was because of Gene Roddenberry - and Richard Arnold - saying it wasn't. Now that Gene has passed, and Arnold is long gone, the series is back in canon. References to it have popped up in many Trek shows since.

There’s also rights issues according to one of STO’s devs. They can use anything from the live action shows and movies, but with TAS it’s case to case, they can’t just grab anything as CBS doesn’t own everything in the show.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ But that doesn't affect normal live-action Trek, does it? Only STO?

 

[Tuskin38]

^ But that doesn't affect normal live-action Trek, does it? Only STO?

CBS doesn’t own everything in TAS. We know they don’t own the Kzinti, dunno what else.

So I guess it’s canon, they just can’t use some of it in future material unless they can figure out who owns what they’re referencing.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Fucking lawyers...

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Yes! I'm so confused by those who think Spock was OOC in 2x01.

How can anyone say a 5-year old is out of character, as compared to his 35 year old self??? That's taking the static character development to an entirely new level.

 

[DaveyNY]

Obviously, the Kzinti belong to Larry Niven.
He let Roddenberry 'borrow' them for TAS because he was offered an opportunity to write an episode based on his short story "The Soft Weapon".
Everything in the episode not related to the Kzinti belongs to CBS now.
(the rights to TAS reverted to Paramount and then CBS years ago when Fimation/Norway Productions went belly up )

Niven in recent years, has apparently become a bit jaded toward Hollywood in general and it's likely that he would not give CBS the OK to use the Kzin any time in the near future.

 

[Vger23]

I personally find the theories involving a sexual relationship between Michael and Spock to be extremely bewildering and ridiculous...surpassed only in the foolishness rankings by the fact that people are considering it a valid possibility.

Give me a break folks.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Not every single relationship between a man and woman has to be sexual.

 

[DaveyNY]

I've wondered out loud that perhaps it involved Spock's first Ponn Far and the two of them attempted to get him through it logically without involving anything carnal, but it went very badly in some way for both of them.

That could be why Michael is very reluctant to discuss it with Sarek and why they haven't spoken to each in quite some time.

It could also be something about Spock's betrothal to T'Pring that divided them.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I'm sorry, I must have missed something in "Brother" (even though I watched it twice). Exactly what is it that has everyone on the BBS convinced that Spock and Burnham were sexually involved? That's... um.... a weird (nay, warped) conclusion to reach.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm sorry, I must have missed something in "Brother" (even though I watched it twice). Exactly what is it that has everyone on the BBS convinced that Spock and Burnham were sexually involved? That's... um.... a weird (nay, warped) conclusion to reach.

Heh...
Just another day in the life of Trek Fandom.

 

[LizStargaryen]

The main clue that there's nothing sexual about Michael and Spock's sibling relationship was the way she rifled through his quarters, went through his things, and did the 23rd century equivalent of reading his diary.

That doesn't speak of intimacy -- she would've been more tentative and awkward about going through his stuff if anything untoward had happened. Instead, she's matter of fact about it. Everything about Michael in "Brother" is textbook Nosy Big Sister 101. (I should know, because I'm a big sister myself.)

The Sarek-Grayson household was/is clearly dysfunctional. But it's no Game of Thrones (and thank God!).

Beside... *ahem*... millions of us think Spock in the Primeverse probably doesn't see girls and women that way. So nah, nothing's between him and Michael except sibling rivalry.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something in "Brother" (even though I watched it twice). Exactly what is it that has everyone on the BBS convinced that Spock and Burnham were sexually involved? That's... um.... a weird (nay, warped) conclusion to reach.

Chalk it up to the influence of Game of Thrones. I was bewildered when I came here Thursday night after a couple of years away from lurking on these boards, excited about the episode... and there was a whole thread about it.

 

[DaveyNY]

I think I saw a different scene from you then...
She was pretty hesitant about even going into the room at first.
I didn't see her "rifle through" anything.
She slowly walked around glancing at the objects in full view and seemed to reminisce perhaps about happier times with him. (thus the slight smile)
She caressed the Betrothal Bells, studied the 3D-Chess board and then walked over to his computer station.
At which point she accessed his last logs (not the entire dataload) and listened to only one (the last) which stated matter-of-factly that there was a message hidden within it.


I'm not saying here that any of that points to some kind of carnal thing, but SEX and some parts of the Star Trek Fandom, do rather seem to go hand in hand for whatever reason.


My take on that particular aspect of an unproven rumor, is that she may have tried to help Spock through his first Ponn Far with Logic (avoiding anything sexual) and the resulting calamity resulted in the discourse between them.
Part of my reasoning is the way she really didn't want to talk to Sarek about it.

 

[LizStargaryen]

Hm. I found her more thoughtful than hesitant...

I'll watch the scene again. (I've only seen the episode twice so far!)

 

[DaveyNY]

Hm. I found her more thoughtful than hesitant...

I'll watch the scene again. (I've only seen the episode twice so far!)

In the scene just before with her and Pike, her facial expressions were of great concern and confusion when Pike described how Spock had requested to take a leave of absence without giving a reason.
(of course Pike didn't inquire)
That seemed to raise her apprehension level even beyond her reluctance of actually taking to Spock once more.
So once in front of his quarters on the Enterprise, all that came into play distinctly in her mind.
Thus the hesitation.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I'm sorry, I must have missed something in "Brother" (even though I watched it twice). Exactly what is it that has everyone on the BBS convinced that Spock and Burnham were sexually involved? That's... um.... a weird (nay, warped) conclusion to reach.

I don’t know, it’s out of character for both and contradicts everything we’ve been told about Burnham.