Star Trek: Discovery - The Enterprise War

[Damian]

Watch the next two episodes as quickly as possible

Ha-ha. yeah. We were having our house painted and I could get to my Blu-Ray player and TV so I've been stuck in place since this weekend. I should be able to watch at least the next two by Friday.

I was trying to pace myself since there are only 15 episodes and I'll probably have to wait another year for season 2 to come out on Blu-Ray.

 

[Christopher]

Unique? They’re the same people. We’ve just never seen them during this time period before in the canon.

Yup. The DSC novels to date have been largely about fitting DSC characters and ideas into established TOS canon and making it feel like a unified whole, e.g. having the Shenzhou team up with Pike's Enterprise and having Burnham and Spock interact (though I wonder if the upcoming season will ignore it or not) or having Georgiou and (the real) Lorca dealing with the Tarsus IV massacre. After all, the books can't use too much that's specific to DSC without spoiling episodes, so they pretty much have to draw on established Trek lore. And it's easier to depict them as a unified whole in prose where the appearance of characters, sets, costumes, etc. is less of an issue.

 

[JD]

^You bring up a point I've been wondering about. Will Pike's presence in Season 2 invalidate Desperate Measures? I'm assuming they didn't know Pike was going to be in Season 2 when work started on the book.

 

[Leto_II]

Wasn’t it either Bryan Fuller or Berg & Harberts who conceptualized the season right from day one as ending with the final scene of Discovery answering the distress call from Pike’s Enterprise? I swear I remember somebody mentioning that in one of the After Trek episodes (I think it was). If so, this would’ve overlapped with David Mack’s writing of Desperate Hours.

 

[ryan123450]

I think you are right. Remembering that puts to ease the same thought that I had about season two potentially ignoring the events of Desperate Hours. It would be disappointing for an entire book (especially the very first one) to be wiped out after the big deal they made about how close a relationship they are keeping with the tie ins for Discovery.

 

[Damian]

I think you are right. Remembering that puts to ease the same thought that I had about season two potentially ignoring the events of Desperate Hours. It would be disappointing for an entire book (especially the very first one) to be wiped out after the big deal they made about how close a relationship they are keeping with the tie ins for Discovery.

Yeah, I wouldn't get too concerned yet until the season starts. It's possible they won't need to touch on anything covered in Desperate Hours all the much.

 

[Stevil2001]

I haven't read 'The Way to the Stars' yet but it sounds like that's a pre-Discovery book like the first 3 Discovery books. Assuming that's true, Miller will have the honor of being the first author to write the first book that takes place sometime during the series run.

It mostly precedes the show, but it does have a frame story aboard Discovery, set around the same time (I think) as the Short Trek "Runaway." This makes it, I believe, the first Discovery novel to have any Discovery in it.

^You bring up a point I've been wondering about. Will Pike's presence in Season 2 invalidate Desperate Measures? I'm assuming they didn't know Pike was going to be in Season 2 when work started on the book.

I think the main room for contradiction is going to be in the relationships of Burnham and Saru to the Enterprise crew. If Spock and Burnham haven't met since childhood, too bad Desperate Hours. If Saru has to introduce himself to Number One, uh oh. (If Pike doesn't remember Detmer, on the other hand, that's understandable.)

 

[thribs]

I wouldn’t think Desparate Hours will be mentioned since that book was written when evil Fuller was still in charage and his intention was that Pike and the Enterprise will never meet the Discovery crew on screen.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Wasn’t it either Bryan Fuller or Berg & Harberts who conceptualized the season right from day one as ending with the final scene of Discovery answering the distress call from Pike’s Enterprise? I swear I remember somebody mentioning that in one of the After Trek episodes (I think it was). If so, this would’ve overlapped with David Mack’s writing of Desperate Hours.

Pretty sure the original plan was for the Discovery to jump 100 years forward and not just 9 months, and season two to follow the 24th century ship and crew that meets them.

 

[Thrawn]

Yeah. If Desperate Hours is contradicted I won't be shocked; there's been so much creative upheaval since that book was commissioned.

 

[Christopher]

Pretty sure the original plan was for the Discovery to jump 100 years forward and not just 9 months, and season two to follow the 24th century ship and crew that meets them.

You're talking about (and misinterpreting) a much earlier stage of the process, when Fuller wanted to do a seasonal anthology show in the vein of American Horror Story. The first season/miniseries would've been about Discovery in the pre-TOS era, then each subsequent story arc would've been about a different cast and premise at a later point in the timeline. It would've been the show jumping forward from one cast to another, not a single ship jumping through time. Think of it as something like The Lost Era in the novels, except spanning the whole Trek timeline from before TOS to after Nemesis. But CBS wanted to do it as a more conventional continuing series instead. We did eventually get something like Fuller's original plan in the form of Short Treks, with stories jumping around the timeline and "Calypso" being set a thousand years ahead or something.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You're talking about (and misinterpreting) a much earlier stage of the process, when Fuller wanted to do a seasonal anthology show in the vein of American Horror Story. The first season/miniseries would've been about Discovery in the pre-TOS era, then each subsequent story arc would've been about a different cast and premise at a later point in the timeline. It would've been the show jumping forward from one cast to another, not a single ship jumping through time. Think of it as something like The Lost Era in the novels, except spanning the whole Trek timeline from before TOS to after Nemesis. But CBS wanted to do it as a more conventional continuing series instead. We did eventually get something like Fuller's original plan in the form of Short Treks, with stories jumping around the timeline and "Calypso" being set a thousand years ahead or something.

I can't find the interview stating it, but I read that original plan was season one ended with Discovery jumping forward and meeting a 24th century ship, which would have acted as a hand off to the season 2 ship and crew.

 

[Christopher]

I can't find the interview stating it, but I read that original plan was season one ended with Discovery jumping forward and meeting a 24th century ship, which would have acted as a hand off to the season 2 ship and crew.

I do remember hearing that rumor, but the anthology plan is well-documented; there was an Entertainment Weekly story on it and everything. Unless you can find a source, you're probably just misremembering, or you read something by someone else who misinterpreted the show jumping forward as the ship jumping forward. There's a ton of disinformation out there online.

 

[David Weller]

Pre-ordered my copy

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah. If Desperate Hours is contradicted I won't be shocked; there's been so much creative upheaval since that book was commissioned.

Well it was already contradicted in one spot with Short Treks using a different name for the Kelpien homeworld.

 

[Christopher]

Well it was already contradicted in one spot with Short Treks using a different name for the Kelpien homeworld.

Which is not incurable, since a planet can have many names in different languages.

 

[Leto_II]

Well it was already contradicted in one spot with Short Treks using a different name for the Kelpien homeworld.

^ Was just typing out my response when I noticed that Christopher beat me to it, with essentially what I was going to say.

 

[JJMiller]

I will simply say that Enterprise War works with everything that has been released, and everything that has yet to release (that I'm aware of).

 

[David cgc]

I will simply say that Enterprise War works with everything that has been released, and everything that has yet to release (that I'm aware of).

Well, I'd hope so, it's not coming out until well past the end of the season. It's been a while since we had a book come out after a subsequent production that contradicted it. It'd bring us back to the days of Bill Riker and the holographic Dr. Zimmerman.

I know speculating twenty-six hours in advance is silly, but it's not unprecedented to have our heroes know other Starfleeters before they meet on-screen, and it's a good way to sweep a lot of potentially-tedious getting-to-know-you stuff aside with a quick, "Good to see you again, Mr. Saru."

 

[JD]

Were there books that actually used Bill Riker and Dr. Zimmerman as the Doctor's name? I assumed they had moved past those ideas by the time the books started.