THE ORVILLE Season Two...

[tharpdevenport]

I guess. I'm not in the know, I just go buy the date the listing says.

Broken down by episode:
http://planetaryunion.net/exclusive/145/

 

[ITDUDE]

Found this by randomly googling.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=Wha...ry+or+The+Orville?&kgmid=/g/11c1n8mz9j&kponly

 

[Mudd]

That's a quirk of the search engine. If you reverse the order of the names in your question you get entirely different and more ambiguous results:
link

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Just a little over 2 and a half hours of music...nice.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Obviously you have to take things with a grain on salt sometimes on IMDb, but the Trivia page for the new episode "Home" -- if true -- clears up what happened here:

Halston Sage (Alara) had to be written off the series due to her close personal relationship with Seth MacFarlane. New studio policies strictly forbid inter-cast relationships due to bad press and the bad working environment it causes if there's a break up.

 

[ITDUDE]

 

[Mudd]

Obviously you have to take things with a grain on salt sometimes on IMDb, but the Trivia page for the new episode "Home" -- if true -- clears up what happened here:

Yeah...this is IMDB bullshit. If she and MacFarlane were an item, she's since moved on from that. Lately she's been dating Charlie Puth.

The fact is, after the show went on hiatus last season she went on to shoot a movie, The Last Summer, which conflicted with the series shooting schedule. We might get excited about it, but a show like The Orville is a stage in the career of someone like Sage. Clint Eastwood was once a supporting character on Wagon Train.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Well, you got some things confused. Firstly, the IMDb entry can still be true. She may have been with Seth and not moved on at the time the new rule came into play.

And secondly, Clint Eastwood as a main co-lead and he was on that for eight seasons. Surely Sage can do more than one, plus it's the "Im too good for this" syndrome; we've seen this in television before. It mostly leads to being forgotten.

Plus, you're thinking of "Rawhide", not "Wagon Train".

 

[Mudd]

Uh-huh. Yeah, an IMDB entry that "may be true" is pretty definitive.

Explain the "new studio rules" again, please? With specifics? And wIth sourcing other than an IMDB entry?

 

[Caretaker]

Speaking of Halston Sage, on my DVR, her named appeared in the credits for the January 20 episode of the new Magnum P.I., titled "Winner Takes All".

 

[Mudd]

Yeah, I see that upcoming.

 

[LJones41]

And secondly, Clint Eastwood as a main co-lead and he was on that for eight seasons

He was the "second" lead. Eastwood became "the" lead after Eric Fleming left the show about a year or two before "Rawhide" went off the air.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Uh-huh. Yeah, an IMDB entry that "may be true" is pretty definitive.

I didn't say it was definitive.

Explain the "new studio rules" again, please? With specifics? And wIth sourcing other than an IMDB entry?

Explain what rules? I didn't list any and such rules wouldn't be public anyway. Plus, I cited a trivia item I said to take with a grain of salt.

Are you even really paying attention to what I'm writing? Seems like combative for the sake of being combative because I poked out hole in your response, including factually getting the name of a TV series confused with another.

 

[Mudd]

Found an old article on StudioDaily that clarifies the show's use of an old-school physical model of the Orville itself. I'd been curious about this, since one of the show's CG artists had said in passing on FB that every shot he'd seen of the ship in the series was actually of the CG mesh version.

So [Technoprops] built a five-foot Orville and did a six-day motion control shoot against blue screen, with separate passes for beauty lighting, fill and matte passes, plus others for exposing the various window and engine lights built into the model.” Moves were previsualized by Halon and exported to stage.

“That process really let us get a good idea of how all those speculars and reflections roll off a physical object and what sort of natural interactive effects happen as it passes between camera and light source,” explains McDonald. “It really helped us lock down the look and feel of the thing, knowing what to emulate for our CG work.

“The human eye and brain are very complex devices. Even if people can’t put a finger on what bothers them about a VFX shot, they will still decide something is off, which is the ‘CG-itis’ of a shot. Using those model shots as reference to get our CG close to that reality was so beneficial in offsetting that feel. The pilot actually used six or seven of these model shots, but now we’re moving away from that, using perhaps only one per episode, because we can replicate the model and lighting so well via digital means, most often handled by CoSA VFX. They have done a great job matching the lighting of the motion-control and thus setting the look of our space environment.”

The piece also mentions that the show's main CG house is actually owned by FOX, which brings up a point about how these shows are budgeted versus what they really cost the studio. There are a lot of reasons for the network to renew a show that's owned by its parent company, and one of them is that many of the expenses of such shows are in essence the mother corporation moving money from one of it's own pockets to another.

 

[The Wormhole]

Obviously you have to take things with a grain on salt sometimes on IMDb, but the Trivia page for the new episode "Home" -- if true -- clears up what happened here:

It's horseshit. If there's some kind of network rule forbidding cast members from having relationships then why are Adrianne Palicki and Scott Grimes both still on the show despite the fact the two of them are dating each other?

 

[Mudd]

It's horseshit. If there's some kind of network rule forbidding cast members from having relationships then why are Adrianne Palicki and Scott Grimes both still on the show despite the fact the two of them are dating each other?

Exactly so. This is the kind of nonsense rumor that falls apart as soon as you give it more than two seconds thought.

 

[Jayson1]

So are the ratings low or are they "Low" like the latest season of "Doctor Who" where they aren't great but it's been overplayed for reasons other than accurate reporting?

Jason

 

[Mudd]

So are the ratings low or are they "Low" like the latest season of "Doctor Who" where they aren't great but it's been overplayed for reasons other than accurate reporting?

Jason

Leaning toward the latter.

Here's the great on-line ratings game ( and I speak as one who plays both sides of it):

• Poster A reports supposedly ominous news about a show's ratings;
• Poster B attempts to put the dire figures into some relevant business context;
• Poster A, or C, gloatingly accuses B of excuse-making or sugar-coating.

I was prepared for this show to be cancelled in its first year and am gratified that it wasn't. I'm pretty sure that the strength of MacFarlane's relationship with FOX is oversold with respect to such business decisions, and suspect that the same may be true of the tax credit situation. I think that the importance of the parent company's ownership stake in the show, OTOH, is somewhat undersold.

What I'm sure is that they've made eight or nine more of these and I'm going to enjoy them. I hope to see it continue next year.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm pretty sure that the strength of MacFarlane's relationship with FOX is oversold with respect to such business decisions,

Totally. Family Guy is still on the air despite MacFarlane's wishes to end it a few years ago. American Dad hasn't been on Fox for years, and The Cleveland Show was cancelled altogether.

 

[JD]

It's horseshit. If there's some kind of network rule forbidding cast members from having relationships then why are Adrianne Palicki and Scott Grimes both still on the show despite the fact the two of them are dating each other?

Wow, that's not a pairing I would have expected.
Even before I knew that I found this rule very hard to believe. There are just way to many shows with cast members who are married, dating or who dated that I would believe anybody would try to set up a rule like that.