Unless the movie is just Tom Cruise in a room for two hours, I'm not sure they can afford it at this point.
Star Trek 4 Reportedly Shelved
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Unless the movie is just Tom Cruise in a room for two hours, I'm not sure they can afford it at this point.
The only reason why it was pushed back was so that it could participate in the 2009 summer movie season. That delay was purely a marketing decision as the movie was otherwise finished.
The Picard Show has just been confirmed to spin-off from the destruction of Romulus from ST'09. The Kelvin movie legacy lives on!
Beyond a good ending in ways such as the demise of the original USS Enterprise so it always bugged me that we never got to see it in battle without getting it's ass handed to it. Kirk's arc seemed to be complete as well and he's settled and happy in his life at last from where it began in the 2009 film.
They need to carry on and do TNG, there's life left in the Kelvin Trek-Verse still IMO.
2024 (exactly 30 years after the end of TNG) we get...
Star Trek: The Next Generation
They need to carry on and do TNG, there's life left in the Kelvin Trek-Verse still IMO.
2024 (exactly 30 years after the end of TNG) we get...
Star Trek: The Next Generation
It just bums me out. I just cannot get excited about Discovery after Season 1. I don't hate it or anything, but it is just "fine" to me. Not bad, but nothing to write home about. I'll watch Season 2, but I've got no excitement over it. Lower decks, A Picard Show, a Mirror Georgiou show all sound like absolutle garbage ideas to me. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.
I would have felt the same way about Kelvin movies before Beyond, but I saw potential in Beyond to turn the Kelvin timeline around into something great.
I would have felt the same way about Kelvin movies before Beyond, but I saw potential in Beyond to turn the Kelvin timeline around into something great.
The Picard Show has just been confirmed to spin-off from the destruction of Romulus from ST'09. The Kelvin movie legacy lives on!
I think I've seen more creativity out of Kirk/Spock slash fiction than these guys are giving us.
For all the game's faults, the 2013 Kelvin timeline video game would have made a fucking awesome movie compared to Into Darkness.
ok so we are kind of getting the 4th movie..but in the form of a sequel to Countdown starring Patrick StewartThe Picard Show has just been confirmed to spin-off from the destruction of Romulus from ST'09. The Kelvin movie legacy lives on!
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Nah, give them 25 years and they'll reboot The Undiscovered Country with the reunited Kelvin castBeyond a good ending in ways such as the demise of the original USS Enterprise so it always bugged me that we never got to see it in battle without getting it's ass handed to it. Kirk's arc seemed to be complete as well and he's settled and happy in his life at last from where it began in the 2009 film.
They need to carry on and do TNG, there's life left in the Kelvin Trek-Verse still IMO.
2024 (exactly 30 years after the end of TNG) we get...
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Hmmm... Disco season two, more Short Treks, Picard, Lower Decks, more Trek in the works? Yeah... TOTALLY next.
The Picard Show has just been confirmed to spin-off from the destruction of Romulus from ST'09. The Kelvin movie legacy lives on!
But... but... Fred Archer said that CBS and Paramount’s works can’t reference one another!
In fairness, as of this thread the movies are no longer an ongoing concern for Paramount Pictures or Bad Robot. I suspect they did have some agreement preventing it awhile ago.
Regardless, a bit of a moot point since Bad Robot was the only Trek around for eight years. And Disco, being set in “prime” didn’t have any need to reference Kelvin.
Besides, any chance to say that Fred is wrong is a fair one. (Even if it is related to him finally getting his wish.)
I can't help but actually feel a tad angry about beyond even more now, tbh. That creative team utterly wasted what might now have been our last chance to see this trek iteration. They did nothing with this version of the characters, no real evolution, no making a good use of them being an alternate reality version of the tos characters. It alienated reboot fans and it was just too weak. Mind you, in many ways stid wasn't enough either. But there wouldn't been salary issues if beyond had been as successful as the first two.
A part of me worried the forth movie would actually be worse than beyond as I don't like the rumored plot. So maybe it's better if it isn't made and it doesn't ruin the franchise further. I honestly lost hope that paramount 'gets it'.
The irony is there is still the Tarantino movie but I always hated the idea of him directing and I have all sorts of bad feelings about his movie so I'd rather him not make it with this cast. So either way no win scenario for me.
If I want to be hopeful, I can think about the possibility they got rid of that script for salary issue but they are now trying to see if there are better ideas, without Kirk's dad and thus with a better budget, for a fourth movie with a different creative team and story. That could be good or at least I can hope that if a movie is made maybe, just maybe, they take their time and do something better. I think that reworking an existing script that heavily featured the two Chris is difficult so it makes sense to shelve that one.
Anyway those writers who worked with Orci have such bad luck. It isn't destiny, guys.
The thing that makes me more pessimistic is the deal with bad robot possibly not getting renewed. But we can't honestly know.
I wouldn't be interested about a reboot. Maybe a sequel with spock/uhura's son (actually, I'd be more excited and interested about discovery if it was the kelvin timeline and Michael was just s/u daughter instead of being forced to be a Spock sister retcon. A sequel with a more natural connection to iconic characters honestly had always been my favorite option rather than seeing prequels that trap themselves into established canon)
A part of me worried the forth movie would actually be worse than beyond as I don't like the rumored plot. So maybe it's better if it isn't made and it doesn't ruin the franchise further. I honestly lost hope that paramount 'gets it'.
The irony is there is still the Tarantino movie but I always hated the idea of him directing and I have all sorts of bad feelings about his movie so I'd rather him not make it with this cast. So either way no win scenario for me.
If I want to be hopeful, I can think about the possibility they got rid of that script for salary issue but they are now trying to see if there are better ideas, without Kirk's dad and thus with a better budget, for a fourth movie with a different creative team and story. That could be good or at least I can hope that if a movie is made maybe, just maybe, they take their time and do something better. I think that reworking an existing script that heavily featured the two Chris is difficult so it makes sense to shelve that one.
Anyway those writers who worked with Orci have such bad luck. It isn't destiny, guys.
The thing that makes me more pessimistic is the deal with bad robot possibly not getting renewed. But we can't honestly know.
I wouldn't be interested about a reboot. Maybe a sequel with spock/uhura's son (actually, I'd be more excited and interested about discovery if it was the kelvin timeline and Michael was just s/u daughter instead of being forced to be a Spock sister retcon. A sequel with a more natural connection to iconic characters honestly had always been my favorite option rather than seeing prequels that trap themselves into established canon)
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Why is this not creative? It simply confirms that the events depicted in ST'09 followed the events we saw in Unification. I, for one, think that's great and I'm looking forward to watching. It makes for global continuity across the different universes we've seen.
Could Paramount have screwed up all the momentum/good will that ST 09 gave them any more than what they did?
Against all odds ST 09 made Star Trek “cool” again. Paramount then proceeded to drop the ball on every conceivable level following that films surprise success. Here’s a short list of how they screwed themselves and the series.
- The long wait between films (played a huge part in losing momentum)
- made a couple of mediocre sequels that split the fan base.
- not promoting Beyond.
- not promoting Star Trek’s most iconic villain (Khan) in the sequel to 09 when literally every fan knew Khan was in the film.
- trying to back out of signed contracts with the principle cast of ST 4
- Hiring the director of the Fast + Furious to turn Star Trek into Guardians of the Galaxy
- Getting rid of Orci’s ST 4 script because it was too “Star Trekkie”
- Not having the reunion of Shatner + Nimoy for the 50th anniversary that Orci’s script would have given them.
- I assume they aren’t going to green light Quentin Tarantino’s (world class filmmaker) Star Trek film.
I could go on and on, but you get the idea. The bottom line is the way the film franchise was handled after ST 09 is an absolute and total disgrace...It’s clear to me now that Paramount has no idea how to handle the ST film franchise...Such a wasted opportunity
Against all odds ST 09 made Star Trek “cool” again. Paramount then proceeded to drop the ball on every conceivable level following that films surprise success. Here’s a short list of how they screwed themselves and the series.
- The long wait between films (played a huge part in losing momentum)
- made a couple of mediocre sequels that split the fan base.
- not promoting Beyond.
- not promoting Star Trek’s most iconic villain (Khan) in the sequel to 09 when literally every fan knew Khan was in the film.
- trying to back out of signed contracts with the principle cast of ST 4
- Hiring the director of the Fast + Furious to turn Star Trek into Guardians of the Galaxy
- Getting rid of Orci’s ST 4 script because it was too “Star Trekkie”
- Not having the reunion of Shatner + Nimoy for the 50th anniversary that Orci’s script would have given them.
- I assume they aren’t going to green light Quentin Tarantino’s (world class filmmaker) Star Trek film.
I could go on and on, but you get the idea. The bottom line is the way the film franchise was handled after ST 09 is an absolute and total disgrace...It’s clear to me now that Paramount has no idea how to handle the ST film franchise...Such a wasted opportunity
The deal, if there is one, is that CBS cannot use the kelvin timeline characters but these movies are still canon so other treks can use them. Also, technically the destruction of Romulus happened in the prime timeline as that part of kelvin trek, as well as what happens to tos Spock, is a tos sequel! It's canon. I'd be surprised if they ignore it if they make tos sequels.
That came up on the Fall convention interviews. The production company has lost the CG assets of the ‘09 Starfleet ships, and Eaglemoss is waiting for them to share the E-A but has not received anything.
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I just wanted one more. Beyond was so much fun I wanted one more outing like that one. Now it's likely never to happen with this crew.
I just wanted one more. Beyond was so much fun I wanted one more outing like that one. Now it's likely never to happen with this crew.
