Not intentional, but yeah, I get what you're saying here.
News Discovery Season 2 Extended to 14 episodes (originally 13)
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I can't weigh in heavily, Rahul. No time for it. A case of too many little things and I have to get up early tomorrow. As in early-early. But I don't need to do a long drawn-out post.
The Vulcan Hello wouldn't have worked. Because T'Kuvma wouldn't have backed down. So, it was no-win. He would've attacked no matter what. That's his character. "A Vulcan Hello" was one big, fat Kobiyashi Maru. Especially if the writers got anything at all out of Nick Meyer's input or had any type of influence from him.
Discovery doesn't promote just one point of view. I disagree with a lot of the characters. A lot things they do at different points are things I don't agree with. That's what I like about the series. I like characters who aren't Always Right. And it doesn't matter to me what some other poster says in terms of "But the way they portray it makes it look like this!" It doesn't matter because A) That's one interpretation, and B) No show is going to tell me what to think. And if I'm "supposed" to think a certain way, I happily disagree with it when I don't.
Sarek told Burnham that the situation between the Vulcans and the Klingons was very specific to that situation which is why he was initially hesitant to tell her. I can't believe how often this is overlooked.
The problem some people have is that they think just because Burnham is the star, it means you're supposed to automatically think she's always right. So if you disagree with her but think you're supposed to agree, that's where you have people not liking her. I don't think I'm supposed to agree with her all the time and I don't.
That was longer than I intended.
The Vulcan Hello wouldn't have worked. Because T'Kuvma wouldn't have backed down. So, it was no-win. He would've attacked no matter what. That's his character. "A Vulcan Hello" was one big, fat Kobiyashi Maru. Especially if the writers got anything at all out of Nick Meyer's input or had any type of influence from him.
Discovery doesn't promote just one point of view. I disagree with a lot of the characters. A lot things they do at different points are things I don't agree with. That's what I like about the series. I like characters who aren't Always Right. And it doesn't matter to me what some other poster says in terms of "But the way they portray it makes it look like this!" It doesn't matter because A) That's one interpretation, and B) No show is going to tell me what to think. And if I'm "supposed" to think a certain way, I happily disagree with it when I don't.
Sarek told Burnham that the situation between the Vulcans and the Klingons was very specific to that situation which is why he was initially hesitant to tell her. I can't believe how often this is overlooked.
The problem some people have is that they think just because Burnham is the star, it means you're supposed to automatically think she's always right. So if you disagree with her but think you're supposed to agree, that's where you have people not liking her. I don't think I'm supposed to agree with her all the time and I don't.
That was longer than I intended.
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That's nonsense. Many of the episodes that people cite as being the best in Trek are just as ambiguous. Making her 'clearly wrong' is less interesting because then there's nothing to discuss.
True, but "not liking" Star Trek Discovery gives you a pass on consistent application of standards.
Didn't you get the memo??
That's the part where I have to diasgree though, heavily:
The way everything happened was the only way T'Kuvma's plan would have worked! Every other way, it would have failed. Yes, T'Kuvma would have continued to try. But he would have been alone. A one-man fight against the Federation.
It was only pure luck (and the failure of Georgiou) that the other houses were fighting at T'Kuvma's side at the battle of the binary stars. It was made very clear they all would rather have liked to ignore him.
I think that's a fair assessment though, and I don't even disagree: I don't want to watch a show with a main character that is a goddamn monster that's responsible for countless death and mass murder. So I absolutely can understand the cop-out, and to be fair I even prefer it over the alternative of Burnham being clearly responsible for the entire war.
I just think they bit up more than they could chew: Having a flawed main character on a redemption-arc is one thing. And a very novel-thing for a Trek show! I would have really liked that. I liked that already when it was called "Tom Paris". But having her singlehandedly start an intergalactic war with endless suffering is something different. So I fully understand why they backed down from that. It just rendered the whole redemption-arc a bit meaningless then.
I think I would simply have been much, much happier if it was made clearly that her "original sin" was (only) the mutiny, and if that mutiny was more strictly seperated from the actual start of the war.
That would have greatly cleared up the situation, still gave Burnham a heavy burden to redeem from, but also made it clearer that she doesn't have more blood on her hands than Gul Dukat.
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