USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Rahul]

so uh, i nabbed this from the eaglemoss facebook fan group (where folks in the UK are getting their disco-prise):

this enterprise has a "battle mode" and "exploration mode" where the front of the bridge can transition from opaque to translucent.

1. NOT a fan of the area in front of the bridge dome. Having the viewscreen-window turn opaque is a neat idea. Having THIS much empty space at a critical point not! They should have moved the window more to the front of the dome. Otherwise this area would be MUCH betterserved by having sensors and shit in it. THeir stupid design choices really come back biting them in the ass now!
2. Not a fan of the DISO-snaggle-tooth windows on the Enterprise either.
   
3. Why is this glorified cameo-ship SO much more detailed and better thought out than their respective series' MAIN ship???
4. The shuttle-bay is pretty much the original TOS-shuttlebay. I like that.
   
5. I guess with this model shipping, the Enterprise's pylons are now stuck at being refit-like angled, right? The TOS-like straight ones look SO much more appropriate!

All in all: ugh.
As TOS being my absolutey favourite, I love (and have) all various versions of the TOS Enterprise, the refit, look forward to get the phase II-version, even have a model of the 09 JJprise. I have no interest in this model whatsoever.

 

[Mudd]

It's lazy design.

 

[Kemaiku]

it's transparent aluminum according to the text on the page.

Which is still a crystalline transparency, not a full metal plate. Either they admit it's just a window or have the battle mode mean something...tactical, like a forcefield or bulkhead as well as the other protection.

 

[Tuskin38]

Which is still a crystalline transparency, not a full metal plate. Either they admit it's just a window or have the battle mode mean something...tactical, like a forcefield or bulkhead as well as the other protection.

It doesn’t matter what it’s made of.

Watch any Star Trek battle where the shields are down, the hull plating does squat.

Except in Enterprise, that was the only series where hull plating actually protected the ship.

I guess with this model shipping, the Enterprise's pylons are now stuck at being refit-like angled, right? The TOS-like straight ones look SO much more appropriate!

I don’t understand why this is surprising. All the promo material and trailers for Season 2 have shown the angled pylons.

 

[Kemaiku]

The point is, they are going out of their way to make this a principle feature of a ship that never had this before, or ever, or any other ship. They could have spent all of three minutes not making it even more fucking stupid.

 

[Tuskin38]

NOT a fan of the area in front of the bridge dome. Having the viewscreen-window turn opaque is a neat idea. Having THIS much empty space at a critical point not! They should have moved the window more to the front of the dome.

I like it, it looks like an observation deck, or a lounge. Imagine having a diplomatic dinner under the real stars.

The point is, they are going out of their way to make this a principle feature of a ship that never had this before, or ever, or any other ship. They could have spent all of three minutes not making it even more fucking stupid.

How is it stupid? They wanted to keep the bridge dome as faithful to TOS as possible.

According to the text, the designers didn’t want to disrupt the shape of the dome as they felt it was iconic to the Connie.

i don’t have my model yet so i can’t consult the magazine, but this anovos image makes it look like the bridge window/viewer is separate from this larger “exploration mode” window.

You can see that in the magazine image too

 

[BillJ]

The point is, they are going out of their way to make this a principle feature of a ship that never had this before, or ever, or any other ship.

*cough* Reboot! *cough*

 

[Kemaiku]

*cough* Reboot! *cough*

Then...they're all getting one in season 3?

 

[CaptainMurdock]

The problem is, they didn't even make the bridge deck right.It's missing the bridge dome completely in favor of being pushed into the deck below.

If the wanted to give it a freaking window, Why not use the original model for inspiration?

This is why Discovery frustrates me. It gets a few things right going forward in the right direction then takes giant leaps backwards with dumb decisions like this.

 

[Tuskin38]

If you look at the art in the magazine, the bridge dome is two decks high. it just isn't obvious from the outside.

Also something, something 25% different.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

 

[Saul]

The problem is, they didn't even make the bridge deck right.It's missing the bridge dome completely in favor of being pushed into the deck below

Maybe it's like what King Daniel said, the bridge can rise out of the saucer when not in battle.

I'm happy about the "progress" of this design. When given lemons make lemonade. Instead of hating it I actually think the bridge hidden window is a nice Sci-fi techy idea and fixes some of our original complaints.

Again, it's not perfect, it's not the original but it could have been so much worse. As an "updated" design it's actually a beautiful starship, I respect the restrained update. It's a ship I consider marriage material.

 

[Kemaiku]

When given lemons make lemonade.

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[Spaceship Jo]

But this is apparently from scenes filmed fairly recently, it doesn't make any sense to have that particular info so prominently displayed this late in production.

What makes everyone think this features anything filmed fairly recently? The monitors shown in this new video when Kurtzman is directing (Burnham on one, blurry Straight Strut Enterprise on another) were also seen in the S2 teaser from late April. The angle is different, Kurtzman on the right vs on the left, but the monitor images are clearly the same.
I mean, plenty of other shots may be new. But we can see them using the Straight Strut Enterprise graphic as far back as April, and with Kurtzman directing so quite likely (though not necessarily) from S2E1 or thereabouts.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah none of this footage screams new. Kurtzman directed Episode 1, we don't know if he's directed any others yet.

 

[Spaceship Jo]

Yeah none of this footage screams new. Kurtzman directed Episode 1, we don't know if he's directed any others yet.

Point being they only started filming in mid-April, so any footage they showed us at the end of April could only be from the first week or two of filming. --> Any footage we see now that is the same as or matches the footage we saw in April could only be from those first two weeks or less of filming.

 

[Gepard]

As TOS being my absolutey favourite, I love (and have) all various versions of the TOS Enterprise, the refit, look forward to get the phase II-version, even have a model of the 09 JJprise. I have no interest in this model whatsoever.

The Discoprise, coming as it does in the wake of the Beyond Enterprise-A, convinces me that there's nothing original left to say about the original series design. We've seen every possible combination of styles laid atop the basic layout, both professionally and in fan designs, and I think we've reached the limit of what it's possible to do with the TOS shape and proporations that still feels fresh and also looks good. The last design that added anything truly new was the '09 Churchprise, and even that one lifted most of the saucer saution from the TMP refit. Both versions of the ship seen in Beyond and this one are diminishing returns.

It's time to pack it up boys.

 

[pst]

The Discoprise, coming as it does in the wake of the Beyond Enterprise-A, convinces me that there's nothing original left to say about the original series design. We've seen every possible combination of styles laid atop the basic layout, both professionally and in fan designs, and I think we've reached the limit of what it's possible to do with the TOS shape and proporations that still feels fresh and also looks good. The last design that added anything truly new was the '09 Churchprise, and even that one lifted most of the saucer saution from the TMP refit. Both versions of the ship seen in Beyond and this one are diminishing returns.

It's time to pack it up boys.

i'm with you on the fact that the last time we saw a truly new design (despite the saucer) was the ryan church enterprise (particularly his concept art which does not reuse the TMP saucer). but there's still plenty of places left to take the enterprise, if designers and producers are open to it.

this is probably the third time i've said this in this thread, but the discovery enterprise seems to be a matter of the designers and producers asking "what can we change", not "how can we do this differently?". at some point someone is going to be brave enough to rethink everything, but right now there's a bizarre conflict of aesthetics in star trek: discovery where the creators are both trying to do something new and stay within canon and unfortunately failing at both.

 

[Rahul]

The Discoprise, coming as it does in the wake of the Beyond Enterprise-A, convinces me that there's nothing original left to say about the original series design. We've seen every possible combination of styles laid atop the basic layout, both professionally and in fan designs, and I think we've reached the limit of what it's possible to do with the TOS shape and proporations that still feels fresh and also looks good. The last design that added anything truly new was the '09 Churchprise, and even that one lifted most of the saucer saution from the TMP refit. Both versions of the ship seen in Beyond and this one are diminishing returns.

It's time to pack it up boys.

I have to disagree, even though -yes- it absolutely feels like it!
Because the last few iterations have been absolutely terrible, and utterly predictable - just smoosh the usual design elements atop the old surface, done!

But every now and then, there is amazing fan-art like this, which manages to do both something completely unique and new, while also being amazingly faithfull to the original:

Which -btw- I have no idea from whom it's coming from, so if anybody can help tell me with who the creator of this is, I'd appreciate that immensely!


And as you said: The last successfull attempt at re-inventing the original was the 2009 version. That's not that long ago. All it really takes is honestly a completely new aproach, with new ideas, and not bound by the "obvious" design choices, preferably from something outside.
I remember this year a car designer, I think from Mercedes or so, tried it's own spin on the Star Wars TIE-fighter design - and it turned out to be amazing! Better than anything that was designed in an "official" capacity for that franchise in the last decade!
All it takes, is sometimes just a fresh pair of eyes.

 

[Kemaiku]

The Discoprise, coming as it does in the wake of the Beyond Enterprise-A, convinces me that there's nothing original left to say about the original series design. We've seen every possible combination of styles laid atop the basic layout, both professionally and in fan designs, and I think we've reached the limit of what it's possible to do with the TOS shape and proporations that still feels fresh and also looks good. The last design that added anything truly new was the '09 Churchprise, and even that one lifted most of the saucer saution from the TMP refit. Both versions of the ship seen in Beyond and this one are diminishing returns.

It's time to pack it up boys.

I still prefer the 2009 version to the Beyond one. As much as I love Beyond over '09 as a movie.