Omega molecules in DSC

[Groppler Zorn]

I’m not sure if this has been covered already, so apologies if so, but I was watching “the omega directive” and Janeway explains that the omega molecule was synthesised in the 23rd century by a Starfleet scientist and it blew up, destroying sub space.

Will we see this on DSC since it wasn’t explicitly stated what year the explosion happened (although the timeline is more fluidic than it used to be so let’s not worry about that)?

And, more importantly, could omega be related to anything coming up in season 2?

Oh and i know there’s a picture of a TWoK era starbase shown in the VOY episode, but this is DSC so that can be explained by saying either: 1) starbases always looked like that because they used the TMP aesthetic in DSC or 2) the DSC producers are taking “Star Trek” as a homogenous whole and it doesn’t matter what era something comes from if they want to use it.

Final question(s) : why were Starfleet trying to create omega? Was it a weapon? Did the Klingons or Romulans find out about its development? Why were Starfleet working on galactic weapons of doom in the 23rd century (c.f. Genesis)? And was Carol Marcus involved in the destruction of the system where omega was synthesised?

 

[Spot261]

It's why the spore drive no longer works.

 

[Dukhat]

I doubt that one forgettable episode of Voyager is going to be referenced in DSC.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

I doubt that one forgettable episode of Voyager is going to be referenced in DSC.

Maybe not. But wasn’t one of the writers a voyager novelist? Kristen Beyer is it? I’d have thought she’d have been relatively familiar with VOY. And they’ve referenced ENT so why not?

 

[Dukhat]

What I mean is that if there's no particular reason to reference it, they probably won't.

 

[Lord Garth]

Omega would need to cause epic destruction. A lone starbase won't do. It needs to be more.

 

[Kor]

I certainly hope this doesn't come up at all.

Kor

 

[Groppler Zorn]

What I mean is that if there's no particular reason to reference it, they probably won't.

Yeah probs not. Unless omega is related to the red things in the season 2 trailer

(Of course they won’t be but what if...)

Omega would need to cause epic destruction. A lone starbase won't do. It needs to be more.

It did wipe out subspace across an entire star system.

But compared to the entire multiverse being at risk the stakes across all DSC can only come down

 

[Lord Garth]

But compared to the entire multiverse being at risk the stakes across all DSC can only come down

Disco McCoy: "What more is there than the Multiverse?!"

But, in all seriousness, I see your point.

 

[Timo]

I wouldn't sweat "relevance" or "prominence" here - obscure things are just as likely to be quoted as non-obscure ones if the writer is in the mood to quote.

Something catastrophic ending the story of the mushroom drive is logical enough. And if it happens to be Omega, or Polaric Ions, then that'll shut up those complaining about how future characters (in past episodes) "never mentioned" the spores.

But this catastrophic event offing the entire mycelial network is of course impossible now, thanks to that multiverse thing... Which is a pity.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Wormhole]

According to the novels, it was in fact Section 31 that conducted the Omega experiments with disastrous results, and that Kirk's theft of the Romulan cloaking device in The Enterprise Incident was directly related to the Omega experiments.

 

[Timo]

I guess it's less a "small universe" thing if we can eliminate at least James T. Kirk from it. Although keeping S31 out would be a plus, too.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I guess it's less a "small universe" thing if we can eliminate at least James T. Kirk from it.

Hmmm, I don't know. Even with Kirk it really isn't a "small universe" thing.

There really in no great in-universe connection between "The Omega Directive" and Kirk (other then the obvious Starfleet connection). The main connection between them is that they are both related to Star Trek TV shows -- but that is not an in-universe connection.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Disco McCoy: "What more is there than the Multiverse?!"

But, in all seriousness, I see your point.

The Q Continuum? Is that even in the universe?

Michael Burnham needs to meet Q. And the omega molecules threaten the continuum.

John DeLancie’s son could reprise his role as “lil Q” as the stakes are raised to threaten the whole multiverse, the Q continuum, and even Picard’s fish.

I wouldn't sweat "relevance" or "prominence" here - obscure things are just as likely to be quoted as non-obscure ones if the writer is in the mood to quote.

Agreed on this. And omega molecules are on Memory Alpha so they could easily turn up on DSC.

I’d be for omega on DSC personally, but it depends how much of a threat the writers need. And tbf it wouldn’t matter if omega didn’t belong in the DSC time period - it’s been in “Star Trek” before so it’s fair game.

According to the novels, it was in fact Section 31 that conducted the Omega experiments with disastrous results, and that Kirk's theft of the Romulan cloaking device in The Enterprise Incident was directly related to the Omega experiments.

What’s the status of the books now? Didn’t they say beta canon was semi canonical? Because s31 could have something to do with omega on DSC - possibly even links to the genesis project too...

 

[Mudd]

Produce 13 omega molecules and you can jump back in time 30 seconds.

It's canon.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Produce 13 omega molecules and you can jump back in time 30 seconds.

It's canon.

Detonate more than one omega molecule and it propels you into the mirror universe where omega molecules prey on Kelipens and they power the Death Star... er I mean “imperial palace ship” (yes, that’ll do).

A 30 second time jump could be useful to Michael Burnham though. If she detonated enough omega molecules she could save Georgiou’s life...

 

[The Wormhole]

What’s the status of the books now? Didn’t they say beta canon was semi canonical? Because s31 could have something to do with omega on DSC - possibly even links to the genesis project too...

Novels have always been non canon, nothing about that has changed at all.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Novels have always been non canon, nothing about that has changed at all.

Huh. That’s cool - I was referring to a recent interview where they discussed novels - I thought they’d said they were trying to respect the novels as well or something.

Don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t want them to have to include novels as canon - except “Dark Mirror”. That was awesome.

 

[The Wormhole]

I thought they’d said they were trying to respect the novels as well or something.

Everyone gets this confused, there's a greater degree of coordination between the show and its tie-in novels. Authors now get to visit the set and meet with the writers, and indeed one of the writing staff (Kirsten Beyer) is responsible for this coordination. But this is done simply to make the novels feel like the show. It doesn't make them canon at all.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

a greater degree of coordination between the show and its tie-in novels.

Ah ok this makes more sense, thanks

It doesn't make them canon at all.

That’s good then - with the exception of the aforementioned novel I’m perfectly happy for the novels to remain only beta canon.