Disco's version of TOS/TAS: Differences

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Does anyone want to imagine how a Discoverse TOS is different, or does the mere idea that Disco version of TOS events may differ upset people too much?

The events themselves are exactly the same. Whether one chooses to view said events with a TOS aesthetic, or one from DSC, is unimportant. It's just a lens through which you choose to see things.

Meaning: From the point of view of DSC, every episode of TOS will still happen exactly as Trek history (that is, the actual plot lines of every TOS episode) recorded. It will just look like DSC. Similarly, if TOS is your preferred visual style, you can imagine every episode of DSC happening exactly as we saw it, but looking like TOS did.

And never the twain shall meet.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The events themselves are exactly the same. Whether one chooses to view said events with a TOS aesthetic, or one from DSC, is unimportant. It's just a lens through which you choose to see things.

Meaning: From the point of view of DSC, every episode of TOS will still happen exactly as Trek history (that is, the actual plot lines of every TOS episode) recorded. It will just look like DSC. Similarly, if TOS is your preferred visual style, you can imagine every episode of DSC happening exactly as we saw it, but looking like TOS did.

And never the twain shall meet.

Obviously, if they were making TOS today they would not have the crew act as if cloaking was an amazing new technology. Hopefully Pike would not be upset at a woman on his bridge. Hopefully Spock wouldn't make a joke a Janice's near-rape. Woman can be and are starship captains.

It would not be exactly the same.

 

[Lord Garth]

In the Georgiou Series, I can't see how they're going to not deal with the Tal'Shiar or the Obsidian Order. They make perfect adversaries in a show about Section 31. So the idea that Spock says no Human or Romulan has seen one another is bullshit.

Maybe they'll try to keep everything classified. So far, they haven't shown Starfleet having face-to-face contact with the Romulans in ENT or DSC. But I'd be disappointed if they stuck to that so rigidly in the Georgiou Series. I want this to be a Cold War style thriller about secret agents.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I might not be clear here, so my apologies.

Events are not points on a line, they are the product of the times in which they occur. Events are brought about by people who are influenced by and, in turn, influence their world. The universe as depicted in TOS, reflecting the 1960s American culture and technical knowledge, is a vastly different place than the universe as seen in Discovery, which is reflective of our times, so many of the the decisions and actions would be different. As I have been reading the transcripts for these older episodes, I have come across instances where I can see the characters behaving differently now as a result of the changes which have come about since TOS first broadcast. Even the best episodes of TOS, like The Trouble with Tribbles, would be done differently. How Koloth described woman in that episode would not fly today.

 

[Dukhat]

If you remove "Look" from it, you do not have a large list.

Except I never said the word “look.”

 

[Ronald Held]

In principle, the BoP could have been launched from a warp capable ship, cross the NZ near lightspeed,took out some outposts and retreated. Then again if the FTL drive used a singularity,Scott would detect no Dilithium or antimatter. Warp coils still would be there.

 

[Tuskin38]

In the Georgiou Series, I can't see how they're going to not deal with the Tal'Shiar or the Obsidian Order. They make perfect adversaries in a show about Section 31. So the idea that Spock says no Human or Romulan has seen one another is bullshit.

Maybe they'll try to keep everything classified. So far, they haven't shown Starfleet having face-to-face contact with the Romulans in ENT or DSC. But I'd be disappointed if they stuck to that so rigidly in the Georgiou Series. I want this to be a Cold War style thriller about secret agents.

Spock wouldn’t know about S31’s ops so it wouldn’t be bullshit, he just wouldn’t have all the facts.

S31 is not common knowledge to the rest of Starfleet.

A S31 show would be an interesting way to get around some of the continuity violations.

S31 wouldn’t want the knowledge of Romulans being an off shoot of the Vulcans to get out as it could possibly damage the federation.

Obviously we know it didn’t after BOT, or at least we don’t have any evidence that it did.

 

[Terok Nor]

Not doing a prequel to a TV series set in the future that was made in 1966 would've been a great way to reconcile the visual differences.

 

[Amasov]

Not doing a prequel to a TV series set in the future that was made in 1966 would've been a great way to reconcile the visual differences.

Not doing a series set before TOS because of visual differences is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Terok Nor]

Not doing a series set before TOS because of visual differences is absolutely ridiculous.

Pretending a TV show from 2018 is set before one made in 1966 is equally ridiculous.

 

[Tuskin38]

Pretending a TV show from 2018 is set before one made in 1966 is equally ridiculous.

Nope

It’s called using your brain

 

[Terok Nor]

Nope

It’s called using your brain

I prefer to use common sense. If you want to fan wank and head canon Discovery into the TOS era go right ahead.

 

[Amasov]

Pretending a TV show from 2018 is set before one made in 1966 is equally ridiculous.

No, it's not equally ridiculous, because Star Trek isn't about what something looks like.

 

[The Wormhole]

Star Trek isn't about what something looks like.

That must be why there's a two part Enterprise episode explaining why Klingons lose their forehead ridges in TOS.

 

[Kemaiku]

But the thing is, several things about Enterprise, Discovery and simply modern story telling/common sense or understanding of technology from a 2018 viewpoint would mean at least half of TOS would not happen, or happen extremely differently.

Internal sensors of the like even in the 2150's would stop quite a few things happening, biometrics not much more advanced than a smartphone too.

Kirk getting cosmetic surgery to look Romulan? their ships probably have an alarm that goes off at unauthrorised transports, nevermind a human lifesign suddenly being onboard. etc

 

[DaveyNY]

But the thing is, several things about Enterprise, Discovery and simply modern story telling/common sense or understanding of technology from a 2018 viewpoint would mean at least half of TOS would not happen, or happen extremely differently.

Internal sensors of the like even in the 2150's would stop quite a few things happening, biometrics not much more advanced than a smartphone too.

Kirk getting cosmetic surgery to look Romulan? their ships probably have an alarm that goes off at unauthorized transports, never mind a human lifesign suddenly being on board. etc

Apparently not, since in TNG Troi got away with faking it as a Romulan as well.

 

[Jinn]

Another interesting difference may be earlier introduction of the Klingons into TOS; I could imagine them mentioning the recent war before we actually see the Klingons in "Errand of Mercy". Maybe there could be a line in "A Taste of Armageddon", where Kirk remakrs that the Federation was also under severe thread recently due to war or something like that.

 

[Kemaiku]

Apparently not, since in TNG Troi got away with faking it as a Romulan as well.

Maybe people were right when they called the NX-01 too advanced, it's internal sensors worked better than ships 200 years later...

 

[Khan 2.0]

still don't know why they didn't they set it in the post VI era (like was rumoured when Meyer was coming onboard).. therefore avoiding the TOS discrepancy (Ent came close enough but pulled it off in the end), could've had all been in the movie era (10-20y after VI/Gen?)...with the movie uniforms, movie ships/nacelles/mushroom spacedock, rainbow warp trails, blue transporter beams, and of course would've been all about the Klingons, even meyer there to help continue on from VI, and would've worked as a prequel to TNG (which would make sense for tie in with the eventual Picard show)... ok no Pike, Spock or TOS Ent to get the fans all craycray but maybe the Excelsior could've made an appearance instead (under Captain Christian Slater) or maybe the Ent B (under a different captain to Harriman of course)

why did it HAVE to be set b4 TOS?

 

[Amasov]

That must be why there's a two part Enterprise episode explaining why Klingons lose their forehead ridges in TOS.

...only because it was something Deep Space Nine brought up in the first place, jokingly.