I assumed this was more DSC mutation or a cult thing. We have the Duras sisters as a template for female Klingons in um...this area.
I really like L’Rell. Hopefully in motion and acting the new look doesn’t take away too much.
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I assumed this was more DSC mutation or a cult thing. We have the Duras sisters as a template for female Klingons in um...this area.
I really like L’Rell. Hopefully in motion and acting the new look doesn’t take away too much.
People can comment on whatever they like, unless the mods think someone's violated board policy, but if a comment's sexist then people can also say they think that comment was sexist.
Remember posters, there is always someone lurking ready to take fake offence at anything you say. Saying someone in heavy prosthetics resembles miss piggy will cause high levels of virtue signalling....
Not in a sexist fashion...no not really. It's not cool man.
Whos being sexist?
Apparently saying a Klingon looks like Miss Piggy is sexist.
Commenting on a woman’s appearance either positively or negatively is sexist these days. You have to be a male feminist to be deemed acceptable. Get woke bro...
I'm looking at an immobile piece of plastic in a photograph and joking that it looks like Miss Piggy, because...it rather does.
I've commented unfavorably on the immobile and preposterous design of the plastic Klingon faces on STD since the show first premiered, without regard to the gender of the particular unfortunate actor who happened to be stuffed under there.
Mary Chieffo is a good actor, as far as I could tell - like all the Klingon performers, her performance was critically handicapped by that Halloween mask and ridiculous false teeth. She certainly does not resemble Miss Piggy in any way.
The photograph of L'rell looks quite a bit like Miss Piggy.
You are welcome to take offense at the fact that I think the Klingon makeup is awful, or at whatever else suits your mood.
I've commented unfavorably on the immobile and preposterous design of the plastic Klingon faces on STD since the show first premiered, without regard to the gender of the particular unfortunate actor who happened to be stuffed under there.
Mary Chieffo is a good actor, as far as I could tell - like all the Klingon performers, her performance was critically handicapped by that Halloween mask and ridiculous false teeth. She certainly does not resemble Miss Piggy in any way.
The photograph of L'rell looks quite a bit like Miss Piggy.
You are welcome to take offense at the fact that I think the Klingon makeup is awful, or at whatever else suits your mood.
Well yeah, but if those are what we're seeing, Klingon women must have very different bones from the men.
Not sure, but I woke in a Soho doorway...
Did the policeman know your name?
Commenting on a fictional character's prosthetic makeup and wig and how it looks like a different fictional character is not sexist or misogynistic or insulting of Mary Chiefo's actual appearance underneath, nor does it automatically make one a "hater" just because you don't like a makeup choice.
And even though I disagree with the sexism/misogyny charge, having a difference of opinion and saying that's what you think it is is not "virtue signalling" or being an SJW or PC policing or any other bullshit catch-phrase.
Now everyone...
He said you can go sleep at home tonight.
If you can get up and walk away.
Miss Piggy was made of foam and felt, not plastic. So I don’t get the comparison at all. But I don’t try to defend sexist remarks.
It’s calling her fat and comparing her to a pig that I object to. It doesn’t really come off as just criticizing the makeup.
I looked back at the one post that mentioned the word "fat", and it was specifically talking about the look of the facial prosthetics.
And if someone were to say that this makeup made the character look pig-like, would that be sexist?
I think there's enough genuine sexism on this board and in the world at large to not get hung up on prosthetic makeup criticism.
I'm not a mind reader and I have not asked,* but I assumed from the get-go that what was driving the Miss Piggy comparisons was the hair. When I look at Miss Piggy, her hair is the very first thing that jumps out at me. That's true for me for L'Rell 2.0 but not in the same way.
Beyond their hair, I don't really see a parallel between L'Rell 2.0 and Miss Piggy. Even their hair doesn't quite click as a parallel, because Miss Piggy's hair is perfectly conceived to visually convey her character. On the other hand, L'Rell 2.0's hair seems way too human (i.e. out of place on an alien), especially the style, unless that turns out to be part of the point (cf B5's Delenn in hybrid form and her human hair).** However, the comment from somebody associated with the show about Klingons growing their hair out in peacetime doesn't imply that there's anything going on besides purely Klingon hair getting grown out and styled according to Klingon customs.
* - But maybe I should ask. ("Just ask!" /Leslie Jones) To people who see Miss Piggy in L'Rell 2.0, is it the hair or what?
** - Somewhat different considerations apply to talking pig Muppets than to makeup for sci-fi aliens, for me generally speaking, I suppose.
Beyond their hair, I don't really see a parallel between L'Rell 2.0 and Miss Piggy. Even their hair doesn't quite click as a parallel, because Miss Piggy's hair is perfectly conceived to visually convey her character. On the other hand, L'Rell 2.0's hair seems way too human (i.e. out of place on an alien), especially the style, unless that turns out to be part of the point (cf B5's Delenn in hybrid form and her human hair).** However, the comment from somebody associated with the show about Klingons growing their hair out in peacetime doesn't imply that there's anything going on besides purely Klingon hair getting grown out and styled according to Klingon customs.
* - But maybe I should ask. ("Just ask!" /Leslie Jones) To people who see Miss Piggy in L'Rell 2.0, is it the hair or what?
** - Somewhat different considerations apply to talking pig Muppets than to makeup for sci-fi aliens, for me generally speaking, I suppose.
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The Klingon double nose prosthetic and seventies soul diva dress doesn’t help much. Just to give some of the answer.
But... But... Pigs in Spaaaaaace!?
Yup, the hair is part of what does it for me. Perhaps it's a wig, considering?
(Or the future equivalent thereof, at any rate. Perhaps they take a pill for rapid hair growth? Crusher apparently popped a lot of those in early TNG.)
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Yup, the hair is part of what does it for me. Perhaps it's a wig, considering?
(Or the future equivalent thereof, at any rate. Perhaps they take a pill for rapid hair growth? Crusher apparently popped a lot of those in early TNG.)
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