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God no, we don't need more forgotten incarnations in the Doctor's past. One was more than enough.

Besides that visceral reaction against it, I'd say the fact that a forgotten incarnation was done relatively recently reduces the odds that it'll happen now.
I could be wrong of course, and Chibnall May have other ideas, but if I was show runner, it’s what I’d do.
 
My guess is that it relates to the origin of the child who aged into Hartnell's doctor - probably without the use of looms to reincarnate the Other. Even though I liked the concept, it might seem derivative of the tech used on contemporary movie Superman's Krypton. Whether the child was a regenerated Other without access to his memories remains to be seen. None of this speculation is likely to be actually correct.
 
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God no, we don't need more forgotten incarnations in the Doctor's past. One was more than enough.

Besides that visceral reaction against it, I'd say the fact that a forgotten incarnation was done relatively recently reduces the odds that it'll happen now.

You'd think that, and then we had multiple arcs and episodes of the Doctor coming to terms with his impending mortality across two showrunners. At least shoehorning "Twice Upon a Time" into the end of last season meant Twelve mixed it up, now dreading to live rather than die.
 
The continual retconning of the Doctors origins sucks

That's been going on for over half a century. The First Doctor was occasionally referred to as human -- from a far-future planet other than Earth, certainly, but implicitly one colonized by humans. It wasn't until "The War Games" at the end of the Second Doctor's era that he was identified as a Time Lord, and it wasn't until four years later that his planet was first identified as Gallifrey. Then there's the way "renewal" was originally described as "part of the TARDIS," but eventually became known as "regeneration" and established as an innate Time Lord ability, and then eventually was established to have a 13-life limit, and then had the whole "regeneration energy" idea tacked on in the new series etc.

The history of Doctor Who is a history of constant retcons and reinventions. It just comes with the show. It's the periodic changes that have kept it alive so long, just like the Doctor.
 
Dear Doctor Who,

There is no other way to say this so i'll get straight to the point.

We need to take a break.

I know you have been going through some changes and while I like the cinematic quality and pretty visuals of your past two episodes I'm just not feeling "us" anymore. Frankly, I'm bored. I found your opening episode boring, I found this episode even more boring. Scenes of people chatting on a boat, walking across the desert, talking about the dangerous flesh eating water that DOESN'T eat anyone.... The pace of your episodes are slow. If this is an indication of the rest of the season/series then I don't want this anymore.

Don't cry. Seeds of this feeling started close to the end of the Moffat era. But at least then it still felt like a "time travel show" and I could see some of your old friends like the Cybermen. But this year I heard you aren't inviting any of your old enemies around. It makes me sad because I feel I have no reason to stick with you.

Look, let's see. If things change. I'll come back to you. But right now I don't have the time for you.

Take care and hope everything goes well for you.

Saul
 
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Dear Doctor Who,

There is no other way to say this so i'll get straight to the point.

We need to take a break.

I know you have been going through some changes and while I like the cinematic quality and pretty visuals of your past two episodes I'm just not feeling "us" anymore. Frankly, I'm bored. I found your opening episode boring, I found this episode even more more boring. Scenes of people chatting on a boat, walking across the desert, talking about the dangerous flesh eating water that DOESN'T eat anyone.... The pace of your episodes are slow. If this is an indication of the rest of the season/series then I don't want this anymore.

Don't cry. Seeds of this feeling started close to the end of the Moffat era. But at least then it still felt like a "time travel show" and I could see some of your old friends like the Cybermen. But this year I heard you aren't inviting any of your old enemies around. It makes me sad because I feel I have no reason to stick with you.

Look, let's see. If things change. I'll come back to you. But right now I don't have the time for you.

Take care and hope everything goes well for you.

Saul

Sad to see you go. I'm sure Doctor Who's 7.11 million other viewers will comfort it in this time of need.
 
Concerning commercial breaks...

I missed the BBC America Sunday night broadcast because Hurricane Michael swept straight over my town (miraculously, I didn't suffer property damage) and I was without power until Monday night. However, I discovered the BBC America website will be "hosting" each new episode for roughly 90 days, allowing one to view them at their leisure. When I triggered the playback I noticed about 5 or 6 'dots" along the progress bar. YouTube does the same thing indicating when one will experience and ad break or a pop-up. I figured I would witness the same here. But oddly enough, when it reached that first "dot", the shot "faded to black" for the briefest moment, but almost immediately brightened again, cutting to a new scene with no commercial interruption. I bet if I watch the repeat broadcast Saturday night on BBCA'sa cable feed, those will be the points when commercials will play.

My question is, Are these quick "fades" part of the "real" BBC's uninterrupted transmission? Or, have they been "worked in" specifically for those markets that air commercials?

Anyway, it was a pleasant surprise to watch a DW transmission without commercial breaks once again. I may opt to watch the on-line feed rather than the television broadcast from now on. Yeah, my PC monitor is a bit smaller than my 47 inch set, but I'm sitting correspondingly closer, so the field of view is roughly the same.
 
My question is, Are these quick "fades" part of the "real" BBC's uninterrupted transmission? Or, have they been "worked in" specifically for those markets that air commercials?

They're probably using the BBC America version with breaks inserted -- they're just running it without actual breaks.
 
The continual retconning of the Doctors origins sucks

True, but the only constant is change... in a show that, for over a decade now, has decided "change" means having another actor do the same forced comedy routine Tennant did because the audience turns into a blizzard if anything other than that style of comedy is made for a Doctor. More and more reviews coming out have people seeing and saying the obvious. Even Capaldi had to be made "funny". At least Capaldi could make the humor watchable and less cringe inducing.
 
Says you. But, I'm loving this season and the new Doctor and companions. I want more!

They're onto something big. The companions are good, better once Yaz gets some screen time, and the Doctor - when not spouting the forced comedy - is genuinely great. I hope next season focuses more on her serious side, she is just not convincing at trying to do the comedy. It's forced. Both on paper and in acting it out.
 
^ I think this upcoming episode should be more dramatic for all involved based on the premise. Hoping we get serious Doctor for much of it.

Though, there was that video of Jodie popping out in costume at some Sheffield school children and she starts this amazing howling cackle that I would love to see her do in character. Once the writers settle into what she sounds like and what her cadence is, I think we'll be in a better place for the comedy.
 
They're probably using the BBC America version with breaks inserted -- they're just running it without actual breaks.
I think you're correct. I haven't noticed any fade out/in breaks in the BBC One UK transmission so I expect BBC America insert the breaks itself and these end up in their streamed version. Such breaks have become really obvious to me after watching shows on Sky's on-demand service in the UK, where no commercials/adverts are shown. I suspect the breaks have to be inserted at an I-frame where no cross-fading is taking place between scenes.
 
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They're onto something big. The companions are good, better once Yaz gets some screen time, and the Doctor - when not spouting the forced comedy - is genuinely great. I hope next season focuses more on her serious side, she is just not convincing at trying to do the comedy. It's forced. Both on paper and in acting it out.
Maybe it seems forced to you, but it doesn't to me. Each to their own.
 
Dear Doctor Who,

There is no other way to say this so i'll get straight to the point.

We need to take a break.

I know you have been going through some changes and while I like the cinematic quality and pretty visuals of your past two episodes I'm just not feeling "us" anymore. Frankly, I'm bored. I found your opening episode boring, I found this episode even more boring. Scenes of people chatting on a boat, walking across the desert, talking about the dangerous flesh eating water that DOESN'T eat anyone.... The pace of your episodes are slow. If this is an indication of the rest of the season/series then I don't want this anymore.

Don't cry. Seeds of this feeling started close to the end of the Moffat era. But at least then it still felt like a "time travel show" and I could see some of your old friends like the Cybermen. But this year I heard you aren't inviting any of your old enemies around. It makes me sad because I feel I have no reason to stick with you.

Look, let's see. If things change. I'll come back to you. But right now I don't have the time for you.

Take care and hope everything goes well for you.

Saul
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
Dear Doctor Who,

There is no other way to say this so i'll get straight to the point.

We need to take a break.

I know you have been going through some changes and while I like the cinematic quality and pretty visuals of your past two episodes I'm just not feeling "us" anymore. Frankly, I'm bored. I found your opening episode boring, I found this episode even more boring. Scenes of people chatting on a boat, walking across the desert, talking about the dangerous flesh eating water that DOESN'T eat anyone.... The pace of your episodes are slow. If this is an indication of the rest of the season/series then I don't want this anymore.

Don't cry. Seeds of this feeling started close to the end of the Moffat era. But at least then it still felt like a "time travel show" and I could see some of your old friends like the Cybermen. But this year I heard you aren't inviting any of your old enemies around. It makes me sad because I feel I have no reason to stick with you.

Look, let's see. If things change. I'll come back to you. But right now I don't have the time for you.

Take care and hope everything goes well for you.

Saul
Fair enough :)
 
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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