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Does Doctor Who appear as fiction in the show's universe?
There's a comic where the Eleventh Doctor accidentally goes to an alternate universe where Doctor Who is just a show and he meets Matt Smith and stuff.
 
Does Doctor Who appear as fiction in the show's universe?

There are at least two "stand-ins" for Doctor Who used in the books. "Nightshade" from Mark Gatiss' novel - though overtly a Quartermass pastiche - is sort of meant to have the Doctor meet "himself," an actor in a "classic" Sci-Fi show. "Professor X" is the direct stand-in for the show in universe. It ran for the same length of time, has similar debates about naming of fans, etc., etc.

There's a comic where the Eleventh Doctor accidentally goes to an alternate universe where Doctor Who is just a show and he meets Matt Smith and stuff.

It's a neat send off for 11. Written by Paul Cornell, too, who, oddly enough, introduced the concept of "Professor X."
 
DWM published a one-shot comic for their 30th anniversary, where Beep the Meep and Eighth Doctor crash the set of Doctor Who during the Tom Baker era.
 
There are at least two "stand-ins" for Doctor Who used in the books. "Nightshade" from Mark Gatiss' novel - though overtly a Quartermass pastiche - is sort of meant to have the Doctor meet "himself," an actor in a "classic" Sci-Fi show. "Professor X" is the direct stand-in for the show in universe. It ran for the same length of time, has similar debates about naming of fans, etc., etc.

Could the Unbound Audio "Deadline" (which starred Sir Derek Jacobi long before he played the Master) also be considered as in the same vein?
 
I chatted with a friend and I did miss out on a bit where the race participant had apparently said that the people they picked up were to be some sort of bonus. Which, forgetting that the quartet were close together but still somehow got split in a 50/50 when the Doctor was clearly slightly more distant to the other three people, begs not dissimilar questions since we still had that 10 minutes of maudlin storytelling about the fate of their families - it all still isn't perfect, but there was a decent explanation. Try to get the bonus while making it first despite knowing your family might- okay. The stories are just so mundane that it's easy to get bored overlook stuff and straining to keep bothering.

Chibnall could be taking bigger risks as well. The fact that, at least so far, they want Jodie to play it like a lite version of David Tennant - is still a bit weak. Especially the forced sonic screwdriver stance, still looks like Harry Potter taught her how to wave it.

That and is it really a possibility that the TARDIS interior being crystalline as well as the Stenza reference, on top of her making the new sonic screwdriver from Stenza crystal conveniently found... I'd hope so. Or everyone's so hyper on "crystals are cool!"
 
The fact that, at least so far, they want Jodie to play it like a lite version of David Tennant - is still a bit weak.

"Fact?" Have you actually got a verified source saying they want her to do that? If not, it's not a fact, just a perception. Personally, I don't think she reminds me of Tennant any more than she reminds me of Troughton or Davison or maybe McGann. Mainly, she reminds me of Jodie Whittaker. She's like the actress I know from Broadchurch, but playing the Doctor and thus being more animated and verbose. Granted, she worked alongside Tennant for three years on Broadchurch, so there could be a resonance there, but I feel she's made the role very much her own from the word go.

Heck, just the fact that she uses her own accent makes her rather different from Tennant.
 
I actually disagree in the "made the role her own." I feel she has still ways to go. Much like, in fact, Tennant had to go in his own first season as the Doctor.
 
Finally managed to see the 2nd episode. I'm sure the change to Sunday night is great for the UK and possibly the US. But that makes it Monday night here in Australia which is really sucky because all my weeknights are fairly busy (and those that aren't are busy for other family members) so I'm having to avoid spoilers for almost a week before I can watch it.

But overall I'm enjoying the new series so far. Jodie is nailing it for me as the Doctor. Graham is fast becoming one of my favourite companions. Yas is still a little under developed but there's plenty of time yet. I'm a big fan of the new composer. I can see mixed feelings about the music. Either people liked the Murray Gold stuff (which was for me a bit overwhelming) and find the new music too minimalistic. Or they weren't keen on Murray and love the new music. I'm definitely in the latter camp.

I've been working my way through a rewatch of the new series and, although I enjoyed almost every episode on my original watch, I found myself really starting to struggle at series 7. Just started series 8 and still finding it tough going. Hard to tell how the new series will go for rewatch but I'm feeling pretty positive right now.
 
That's her natural voice? Cool.

That raises her like a billion points for me now, that she uses her natural accent. I too have found her fun to watch and I've watch both episodes again and she's nailing it for me for the fun factor.
 
I actually disagree in the "made the role her own."

Well, sure, and I was disagreeing with the perception that she didn't. This is subjective. I guess it depends on what people are looking for. Pure speculation, but maybe people who are most familiar with the modern series, with only four prior Doctors to compare her to (not counting Hurt), see Tennant as the closest match (which he certainly is out of that small sample), but to someone like me who started with the classic series, she doesn't seem closer to Tennant than to several of the classic Doctors. They're the two most accessible modern Doctors -- not as battle-scarred as Nine, not as goofy and erratic as Eleven, not as aloof and arrogant as Twelve -- but that's a quality they share with earlier Doctors like Two, Five, and Eight.

I definitely see a lot of Troughton parallels -- smaller, younger, and more soft-spoken than her predecessor, unassuming but easily taking charge due to her knowledge, traveling with multiple companions. Pretty close to Davison in those regards too, although Five wasn't quite as good as Two at convincing people he knew what he was doing.


That's her natural voice? Cool.

Well, a bit toned down, I gather, but basically.
 
DWM published a one-shot comic for their 30th anniversary, where Beep the Meep and Eighth Doctor crash the set of Doctor Who during the Tom Baker era.

Right, right, right. Beep tends to be one of the ways they bend the show being a thing that exists in-universe and out. I also think that there's a comic or audio where the Doctor meets "Dr. Who" in the Land of Fiction which is a winking nod to him having to fight himself.

Could the Unbound Audio "Deadline" (which starred Sir Derek Jacobi long before he played the Master) also be considered as in the same vein?

Oh that's a good one! And the Unbound story "Auld Mortality" has a version of the Doctor who is a writer who uses a reality generator to peer into different realms and write about them, often "rewriting" episodes of the show.
 
Well, sure, and I was disagreeing with the perception that she didn't. This is subjective. I guess it depends on what people are looking for. Pure speculation, but maybe people who are most familiar with the modern series, with only four prior Doctors to compare her to (not counting Hurt), see Tennant as the closest match (which he certainly is out of that small sample), but to someone like me who started with the classic series, she doesn't seem closer to Tennant than to several of the classic Doctors. They're the two most accessible modern Doctors -- not as battle-scarred as Nine, not as goofy and erratic as Eleven, not as aloof and arrogant as Twelve -- but that's a quality they share with earlier Doctors like Two, Five, and Eight.

I definitely see a lot of Troughton parallels -- smaller, younger, and more soft-spoken than her predecessor, unassuming but easily taking charge due to her knowledge, traveling with multiple companions. Pretty close to Davison in those regards too, although Five wasn't quite as good as Two at convincing people he knew what he was doing.
Or, I gather a lot of the previous actors got the part right from the first appearence. Troughton, the Bakers, McGann, Eccleston and Smith managed to sell their respective incarnations from the their first ever appearence, even if more goofy element appeared later on. Tennant, for instance, had to plow through the first half of the second series before he won me over, and McCoy didn't really get to have an actual crack at the character until Cartmel gained full creative control with season 25. Capaldi is a bit different, since the Doctor is in search of himself, essentially, and that's an interesting notion to play with, and it helped he was a brilliant actor.

I just think Whittaker can improve. Like Pertwee and Davison did improve their respective first seasons.
 
Five wasn't quite as good as Two at convincing people he knew what he was doing.

Maybe that's because a lot of the time he really didn't know what he was doing? He's my favourite Doctor but he did spent much more time reacting to events than any other Doctor, as opposed to being in control. Whereas, Two played the fool, but showed that his clowning around was just an act regularly.
 
Maybe that's because a lot of the time he really didn't know what he was doing?

I thought it, but it seemed harsh to say it. :D


Whereas, Two played the fool, but showed that his clowning around was just an act regularly.

No, sometimes he did legitimately bungle things. Particularly in the season with Zoe, he'd often screw things up and need her to fix them, like with the Dominators' IQ test or the reconstruction of Jamie's face in "The Mind Robber."
 
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