“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?
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Doesn't seem to have been, no. But people use 'superhero' and 'comic book' so interchangably it's often hard to tell what category they want.
And Steel really should have been what Black Panther turned out to be. MM was a generic project that was never going to be memorable. Spawn could have been memorable with better quality, but was never going to be mainstream. Blade was suprisingly mainstream, but as a vampire hunter, was never going to capture that nostalgic superhero feel. But Steel was a fantastic character with great material, and very practical visual requirements. It could have ticked all the boxes. But they chose a lead with no acting skills, a shoestring budget and a cheap script. It was really unfortunate.
From what I read I think that’s right (not heard of spawn before now!)
Finally an explanation for Into Darkness
Ah fair point.
Ok I see where you’re coming from now. I don’t agree - personally I think there’s more emotional depth in Star Trek III than in any scene in ST09 but ymmv (and obviously does!)
I disagree on this. It's the nostalgia bits that I feel most distracted by, while the character arcs and story are far more engaging.
About STID: It's funny that they worry about the people in the torpedo casings but don't give a single thought to Marcus' men that are stunned all over the ship and are fated to die. BTW, how were they able to remove 72 people from their torpedo boxes in less than 4 MINUTES!!! I mean all they had is the testimony of the doc who doesn't know the first thing about torpedoes and couldn't see what Carol was doing to disarm it anyway! Not to mention that he had then to reprogram the torpedoes to detonate on cue!!!
Speaking of people that learn fast. Bones didn't know how to revive the man in the torpedo without killing him but later was able not only to remove him but also defrost him, frost Kirk and put him in his place. All that with no time off to learn anything.
BTW, how do you heal a dead guy by injecting something into his blood vessels? If the guy is dead, there's no blood circulation, if there's no blood circulation the thing that you inject doesn't move!! To say nothing about rigor mortis!!
Speaking of people that learn fast. Bones didn't know how to revive the man in the torpedo without killing him but later was able not only to remove him but also defrost him, frost Kirk and put him in his place. All that with no time off to learn anything.
BTW, how do you heal a dead guy by injecting something into his blood vessels? If the guy is dead, there's no blood circulation, if there's no blood circulation the thing that you inject doesn't move!! To say nothing about rigor mortis!!
I haven’t seen Black Panther yet (to be fair, I haven’t seen...well, most of the MCU) but, it is and American superhero movie set in an imagined Africa with imagined African Characters. I am hoping it’s as good as people say when I get round to it, and have no reason to doubt that it is. Not even the tiniest doubt. T’Challa etc are all Marbel characters Excelsior! But they are not African characters, they are American characters, like Cap and Thor and Iron Man etc. I would make a pithy comment about Mary Poppins and Dick Van Dyke, but there at least, the source material and one of the leads was actuallyBritish, and as I say, I hear good things about the movie, so it’s unfair to make my comment about the movie when really my comment is about the idea than a very old Hollywood movie machine can somehow make an ‘African’ movie or superhero.
In those respects, I think Blade is very very much being unfairly forgotten, and spoke very much (as I understand it) about African Americans, and ‘race relations’ in a wider context. Personally, though it’s a violent action film about vampires, I think the subtexts are very powerful, and there’s something really great in the relationship between whistler and blade and how it transcends race and blood and what have you.
So black panther better be amazing if it’s gonna top Blade. XD
Having not seen it, I suppose worst case scenario it’s like Coming To America with superheroes. And even that films enjoyable if you ignore some of the more....difficult bits. Good luck to it (Like it needs me wishing it that, film is rolling in money and acclaim lol.)
At least it didn’t do a memoirs of a geisha.
I had never thought about that. Huh. Hard to disagree.
For all intents and purposes, the augments were victims and the Vengence crew was not - or at least I never saw it that way. I've always assumed them to be willing participants, either as S31 people are SF officers hand-picked by Marcus.
It's no more magical than any other Star Trek resurrection. And, frankly, they do more miraculous stuff on Grey's Anatomy.
Other Trek resurrections depend on space magic we actually don’t have any idea about. That circulation point kind of whomphs it.
I saw Black Panther the other night for the first time and i really liked it. The only let down was the villain, he felt like a stereotype with a predictable motivation. Other than that it's a good film, solid performances from the cast but in terms of story it isn't really anything unique.
No. They have ways of solving that in 2018.
The issue I have with the "magic blood" thing isn't that it's ridiculous per se. It's just that they could have come up with any random bit of technobabble to bring Kirk back from the dead. "Magic blood" was transparently there just because they wanted a reason to not have Spock kill Khan. Though even that doesn't make any sense, because the other augments are still on ice and can be thawed out as needed for their own blood samples.
I agree that it wasn't the best idea and was, as you said, obviously done to keep the door open for future films.
My only point is that as far as Star Trek magic goes, it wasn't nearly as outlandish as people made it out to be.
The blood was already demonstrated at the beginning of the film - for reasons that really aren't important - to have magic healing abilities.
Kirk was immediately frozen; "They're not dead 'till they're warm and dead."
And it's perfectly feasible that Bones asked Scotty to jury-rig a nano-biomolecular inversion oscillator with a modulated plasma amplitude infusion coil and connected it to a bypass machine.
My only point is that as far as Star Trek magic goes, it wasn't nearly as outlandish as people made it out to be.
The blood was already demonstrated at the beginning of the film - for reasons that really aren't important - to have magic healing abilities.
Kirk was immediately frozen; "They're not dead 'till they're warm and dead."
And it's perfectly feasible that Bones asked Scotty to jury-rig a nano-biomolecular inversion oscillator with a modulated plasma amplitude infusion coil and connected it to a bypass machine.
Is Blade a superhero? He was introduced in the Tomb of Dracula comic (A horror series) as a vampire hunter.
Rigor is several hours, if not days, and McCoy was there within minutes of Kirk's death. So, I have no doubt that there was enough circulation to keep things moving and healing.
And, no less absurd than the Genesis effect, noncoporeal beings or any number of magic things in Star Trek. Also, there are blood based therapies in the real world that make it far more plausible than the transporter and that's a base Trek tech that receives no questions or skepticism...
There is no guarantee that their blood works the same. Why take the risk?
Seems like a good plot move. We don't meet any of the other augments. Khan is the antagonist in the film. Why introduce another augment?
Why introduce the fake drama of having Kirk die only to bring him back again 20 minutes later?
Yes, I know it exactly mirrored the end of TWOK, but remember that wasn't even resolved until the next movie. And one could argue (I certainly would) that that wasn't a touching tribute at all, but a cynical ripoff of a classic and emotionally touching scene.
Why not? It was a good moment in the Kirk/Spock friendship. No reason to wait until the next film to resolve it.
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