There are a number of good ones. But personally, I would count Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 as being more bad than good. Ed Norton Hulk was fine, I don't know why people look down on it so much.
“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?
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There are a number of good ones. But personally, I would count Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 as being more bad than good. Ed Norton Hulk was fine, I don't know why people look down on it so much.
"Iron Man" and "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" are two of the best superhero movies ever created, only topped by something like "The Dark Knight". "Black Panther" is not just the most successfull comicbook movie of all time, but maybe one of the most important milestones in the movie business of the last fifty years. "The Avengers" is a really great team-up movie, with one of the most charming casts ever. And what "Guardians of the Galaxy" or "Thor:Ragnarok" put on screen is at least widely more creative and imaginative than what Star Trek has put put in the last decade...
No.
The MCU is cinematic junk food. It's high in salt, sugar, and fat, but offers little sustenance with no nutritional value. They're pressed-out from the same mold on an assembly line and then shoved into expensive, flashy packaging. They taste good when they're fresh, but the flavor is fleeting. And they go stale when left on the shelf too long.
Iron Man is definitely the best of the bunch, but since it was first, it came before promoting the brand juju become more important than instilling creativity. Shit, TMNT90 has greater plot texture and thematic depth and acuity than any one of them.
Guardians is a lot of fun and has great, unique loveable characters, but it's still the exact same film underneath.
Winter Soldier is a convoluted mess.
Black Panther is absolutely of huge sociological and cultural significance, But the film itself is nothing special.
The only stuff that's good about Avengers are the bits Whedon borrows from Buffy and Firefly - sort of his greatest hits. The rest of the film is a hot mess directed by a guy who should have never been allowed to direct action.
Ragnarok is a pretentious, self-indulgent plodding mess. I fell asleep watching it. Twice. And never actually finished it. I was bored out of my gourd.
I think the Spidey movie is the best of the more recent lot, but it is ultimately foiled by a terribly written villain, despite Keaton's best efforts.
And, no, not a single one of them holds a candle to ST09 in terms of intelligence and dramatic weight and pathos. Or really ID, for that matter.
lol.
I want my carbon copies of more popular original stuff one day have as vivid defenders as you!
You do know the whole Kelvin-timeline franchise is nothing more than a (mostly successfull) attempt at applying the MARVEL franchise formula to the Star Trek brand, right? ...right??
I think it's interesting that basically all superhero films follow the template of the Donner Superman - treat the subject matter seriously, but allow room for humour. There's never been a better Superman film, and the continued struggles of DC to make it work since Christopher Reeve hung up the cape show it's not easy. All the current crop of superhero films build on that template, as does the first Toby Maguire Spiderman film, which pretty much set the current avalanche of Marvel films in motion.
I like ST09 as much as the next guy, fun movie but the only place it can really hold it's own with the marvel films is the casting. STID is a poorly written, mess of a movie that thought it could scrape by on nostalgia alone and it missed the mark by a good margin.
Totes. But i suspect Marvel knows that.
With one or two exceptions (e.g. iron man) I agree - as you state below:
I wouldn’t go that far. It’s a good Cap movie. If you like Cap.
And yet Blade came first and was nowhere near as significant. Weird.
Yes but it’s a fun movie, Mr Vulcan.
Again, Ragnarok is fun. But typical Avengers filler.
Very paint by numbers though. Keaton was great in the role.
Out of curiosity what are you referring to when you talk about dramatic weight and intelligence in ST09?
LOL what?
ST09 finished principal photography before Iron Man hit the screens...
I know it seems like distant past now, but... MARVEL made quite a lot of movies before the MCU. Kevin Feige was really very hands-on involved in all movies involving Marvel property, be it with Sony, Fox or Universal, before he put his focus on an an-house production company.
And JJ Abrams wasn't exactly shy about his influences either, so this really shouldn't be news or anything.
IMO it was also a pretty smart decision. One of the reason why ST09 was so successfull in reaching mainstream audiences was simply because it felt a lot like the comicbook blockbusters of that time.
Also, this Marvel formula (which is basically just the super optimization of the Syd Field/Save-the-Cat plot point structure for screenplays) IMO fits pretty good with the Trek property - much better than, say, with Star Wars.
X- Men for instance. Rogueish outsider is convinced to join existing team by mentor who sees something in him. Existing team is not entirely convinced. Rogue and highest ranking member of existing team bury their antipathy to defeat their common enemy, who has ties to the past of some of the characters. All shot with a blue tint, textured costumes (pvc or leather optional) and featuring both a ‘person takes a beating to show something about their character’ and a ‘look at the cool bladed weapon’ scene/shot. See also Blade, but not as much.
And everyone loved blade till the matrix stole his thunder, and much of this generation wont watch anything made pre millennium anyway.
Blade: underappreciated film by many.
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First superhero comic movie with a poc in the lead role iirc
Doesn’t spawn predate it?
Yes. Also, so does Steel. And Meteor Man.
Uh. Steel. That was one of those odd choices. Never seen it mind you. Think both of those went straight to video here. Meteor man was ok from what intermedie, had forgotten about it till you mentioned it. I do t think it was based on anything though, was it?
Wrong.
ST09 was certainly a "save the cat" film. But that has been a persistent part of popular film for decades. And there's a lot more to the Marvel formula than just that: the zinger tennis dialog, for example. Lowest common denominator stuff. The other two films have a lot more in common with other Trek stuff (Which makes them bad, apparently.) than the MCU.
Of course they do. They know perfectly well what they're selling is the branding. To their credit, they (and Disney especially), have completely mastered how to best channel a dopamine effect from a film. (Like junk food.) But the high from the experience people feel when coming out of a theatre is being confused for quality cinemacraft.
People make this argument. But Panther is more than just "a black guy in a suit." It's significant because it's basically an African superhero movie.
I'm not going to get into that here other than to say go rewatch the cold open or considered the magnitude of having the franchise's most popular character literally see his entire world crumble in front of him.
I'm guessing even though the last page (I haven't looked farther back in a while) is off the rails onto Marvel movies, I should post a "Picard show" comment in this thread.
So Marina Sirtis was recently quoted about not watching Discovery, saying, "I have never watched it,” Sirtis said. “I am going to explain why I don’t watch Discovery before they all hate me. We were on the best Star Trek show. If CBS thinks I am going to pay to watch Star Trek, they are demented. I will wait until I go to England and watch it on Netflix, which I pay for anyway."
(https://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/09/22/star-trek-discovery-marina-sirtis-doesnt-watch/)
To me, this suggests that she's not expecting to have a role on CBS All-Access's Picard show, because otherwise she wouldn't be bad mouthing them. Of course, Marina pretty much says anything that pops into her head, so maybe (heck, probably) I'm off track. But, based solely on that quote, I wouldn't expect to see her in the new show.
So Marina Sirtis was recently quoted about not watching Discovery, saying, "I have never watched it,” Sirtis said. “I am going to explain why I don’t watch Discovery before they all hate me. We were on the best Star Trek show. If CBS thinks I am going to pay to watch Star Trek, they are demented. I will wait until I go to England and watch it on Netflix, which I pay for anyway."
(https://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/09/22/star-trek-discovery-marina-sirtis-doesnt-watch/)
To me, this suggests that she's not expecting to have a role on CBS All-Access's Picard show, because otherwise she wouldn't be bad mouthing them. Of course, Marina pretty much says anything that pops into her head, so maybe (heck, probably) I'm off track. But, based solely on that quote, I wouldn't expect to see her in the new show.
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