Thing is, this board is a relatively positive, supportive place. If you read more Twitter, Youtube comments, or the old IMDB boards you'd realize how bad things our outside of here.
Fandom is so toxic right now
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Thing is, this board is a relatively positive, supportive place. If you read more Twitter, Youtube comments, or the old IMDB boards you'd realize how bad things our outside of here.
I lurked TrekBBS back then (long time lurker, i only came outta my shell last year) and yeah, there were some brutal conversations at that time. I admit, I didnt like ENT till it showed up on Netflix. I gave up on it midway through season 1, but it really did get much betterThere were knock down drag out battles about ENT here back then. I know I was in more than a few. Might have even gotten a warning.
Man, people are sending death threats to actors they don't like! They don't just wish that entertainers lose their career - they wish that they lose their lives!
Yeah, given one more season it probably would have shed all the garbage from season 1 and really took its spot among the Trek greats...
There were knock down drag out battles about ENT here back then. I know I was in more than a few. Might have even gotten a warning.
Difference is was all about canon stuff back then. Things didn't get political. A think the biggest issue back then was people hated the idea of a prequel. Of course this was shortly after 9/11 so you still had more unity. If anything people were more quiet to express displeasure out of it feeling unpatriotic if you were American or just disrespectful. Things didn't really change that much I think until Katrina. People didn't like the wars but I don't recall much pro and anti War fights.
Jason
I've seen some pretty heated discussions here over the years, but even then I agree. What I like about this place for the most part is that we can often engage in some serious discussions and be respectful towards opinions and ideas. Oh, we get knocked around and bruised at times, but this board has some great diversity.
It's a Star Trek board after all.
Huh? I vividly remember people shitting on Archer/Scott Bakula for behaving and looking (?!) like George Bush.
Which has been happening since, forever. It's not really a new idea that you have crazy people, some who then turn to violence. There is nothing you can really do about it other try and catch people like that before they do anything bad or even better spot this stuff people earlier in their life and try and get help for them.
What seems worst though is the way people seem to panic way to quick. Everything from cops shooting unarmed people of color the nanosecond they feel scarred to embracing censorship to fearful white guys worried they are about to become second class citizens the moment they loose one sliver of representation. We seem to have 5 billion trigger words from both sides were people go straight into paranoid fears of the evil Alt RIghter or SJW just because someone disagree's or they might have some views that rub you the wrong way.
I think people need to get away form the myth of a well-adjusted human or a normal person. We are all kind of messed up in the head a little and some are just better at hiding it or dealing with it than others. In fact I take comfort in the idea that my mistakes and pain isn't unique. It's something all humans kind of share. Next time you see a asshole just know that sometimes you are proably the asshole to someone else.
Jason
Yes, it is. And one would hope that we've learned to be better about ourselves and look out for each other.
I don't recall that. I recall Trip looking like a chimp to some and so did Bush so we got some good monkey humor out of it. It is interesting though how everyone's memories of the way things use to be are very different. They say human memory is unreliable so this kind of proves it. I wonder what the real truth was. NOt only would we need to see those old threads but also know what we were all feeling when we made them.
Jason
Well, the product doesn't suck imo. Ymmv, but the conversation was about people exploding based solely on cast lists. A cast list is not an end product, so those people were very clearly not concerned with quality at all. And when I look at the kinds of productions that get this kneejerk bs and read the totally illogical (or sometimes totally frank) jusitifications, it seems pretty clear what their real objection is.
They are not representative of everyone and no one is saying they are. If anyone is feeling 'called out', I presume you (general you) know that you don't do this stuff and therefore this thread isn't about you. But these things are happening, and way too often.
I feel differently about the original as well as the new one. The original ghost busters is a classic. I don't feel I had to make any allowances for it. Three top comedians at their best. Hudson was also great.
This new one was god awful. The jokes fell flat, the writing and pacing was off. For me its always about the writing. I could care less who they cast or their race and gender. Good story? Good movie. This new ghost buster had (imo) a lousy story.
I agree though about toxic fans. At first the comments on youtube surprised me. I would see a video on trekyards for instance about an episode of discovery and these morons were complaining about white genocide! I was offended.
I remember the discussion on Enterprise being more about the writing just being bad. With some DS9ers bashing it for resetting. And lots of continuity complaints.
The political aspect is different now. The internet has become an echo chamber that frames a perspective where you never see the other side represented by somebody face to face in a reasonable tone of voice. So what used to be people’s unspoken anxieties about race and gender issues get crystallized into dogma.
So whereas before, you feel uncomfortable about a racial casting, you are always in mixed political social groups you didn’t want to make uncomfortable. Now most of your social groups are in places you know everyone agrees with you, so you express your discomfort as anger, then everyone validates the anger and gives you lovely terms to get around having to empathize with anyone who doesn’t, which are repeated enough to drill them into your brain.
When everyone hates the same people and derogatory terms are thrown around abandonlessly, you treat anyone who isn’t exactly in your side on everything as being fully on the other in every way. And you are even pressured to de-moderate your own views to avoid this perception.
The political aspect is different now. The internet has become an echo chamber that frames a perspective where you never see the other side represented by somebody face to face in a reasonable tone of voice. So what used to be people’s unspoken anxieties about race and gender issues get crystallized into dogma.
So whereas before, you feel uncomfortable about a racial casting, you are always in mixed political social groups you didn’t want to make uncomfortable. Now most of your social groups are in places you know everyone agrees with you, so you express your discomfort as anger, then everyone validates the anger and gives you lovely terms to get around having to empathize with anyone who doesn’t, which are repeated enough to drill them into your brain.
When everyone hates the same people and derogatory terms are thrown around abandonlessly, you treat anyone who isn’t exactly in your side on everything as being fully on the other in every way. And you are even pressured to de-moderate your own views to avoid this perception.
From what I remember of the IMDB boards they tended to be pretty negative to a blockbuster film before it was released but then predominantly positive after it came out.
Not really. Although season 3 was obviously influenced by events of the time. Archer and Trip coincidentally happened to be two white boys with little sensitivity to other cultures.
I think people were more annoyed at how often Archer had his ass handed to him and that gazelle speech...
Live episode threads were hilarious though.
Every single movie had a "this is the worst movie ever" thread, and multiple "deleted by administrator" threads which either threatened the actors or said something racist...
welcome to the reason I don't discuss politics online.
Me I don't mind talking politics I just refuse to ever make personal insults. Even if I was deeply offended by someone I would maybe at best use some sarcasm. I don't think in the end it matters enough online to be right or wrong on the issues. I think the hatred is a cycle and if you don't ever try to break it people will still be yelling about the same old stuff in 20 years and 20 years after that. I guess it can feel good on a emotional level to unlease those feelings but I wonder. Does anyone really,really think it makes things better instead of worse?
Jason
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