Poll Which Star Trek Series Klingons Love Best
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It can be more than 1 or even since Worf for instance is in Deep Space 9 is also in The Next Generation however in The Next Generation his own son at the helm at times as also. The Deep Space 9 featured its own Klingons in most part. So feel free to explain if want to as well.
Klingons have been overused and become stagnant and dull. Martok was an engaging character, which is rare for the Empire.
DS9 Klingons love best. Worf and his fantasy woman from TNG are sort of meh, Voq and L'Rell define banal, the chemistry between Kang and Mara was lukewarm. But Worf with Grilka is Shakespeare rewritten. Or, rather, Rostand. (Literally, but that's sort of the way to go.)
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
I’d say DS9. I love Martok. They also finally found a constant look for Worf, whereas in TNG he changed a lot through the years.
Definitely DS9.
When written well I love the Klingons. They don't work well as big dumb bad-guys. DS9 frequently had them as warrior-race bad-asses which is much more fun.
When written well I love the Klingons. They don't work well as big dumb bad-guys. DS9 frequently had them as warrior-race bad-asses which is much more fun.
DS9, no question.
The original Klingons for me too! The fact that they look similar to us is not a bad thing at all and in fact shows us what we could be like if we're not careful when we go exploring or conquering outer space! They are also a very crafty and conniving race, sly and devious with their heavy eyebrows, gravy coloured skin and goatee beards and their spaceships are natty too! The TNG style of turtlehead look somehow made them less scary for me at least!
JB
JB
You can project whatever you wish, but there really wasn't much there in terms of the writing - particularly if you take out what's really due to the performance of the actors.
Honor and Sto-vo-kor wore thin quickly, and that was really all their was to the Berman era Klingons.
That's really not true at all. The Klingons as developed by Moore were pretty multi-layered. "Honor" is core to their beliefs, but in reality anyone raised in the Klingon Empire knows this really means being perceived as honorable, not actually being honorable. Worf, because he was mostly raised by humans, doesn't get it - he takes Klingon culture both seriously and literally, when normal Klingons take it seriously, but not literally.
More broadly, Klingons got ridiculous levels of development throughout the latter period of TNG and DS9 - levels unparalleled by any other race in Trek history. Everything from history, to religion, to music, to cuisine, to martial arts. We got to see lots of Klingons in DS9 who didn't fit the stereotypes as well, including the fat Klingon chef on the Promenade, the sneaky Klingon good with finances in House of Quark, and the whole ship of "loser Klingons" in Soldiers of the Empire.
In contrast, Kor, Koloth, and Kang - while well performed - are just generic, charismatic heavies.
such a tough choice. i would've said the films if that was an option. they varied from straight up, mustache-twirling villainous to noble and poetic in the TOS movies, but that depiction never felt inconsistent to me.
the obvious choice then is TOS, but they're still not quite formed or even recognizable as the species we know and love/hate. by the time we get to DS9, voyager, and enterprise, they're parodies of themselves... reduced to a cliche where their every other word is either "honor" or "qapla".
so i said TNG, because they're right in the middle. but that's not a very exciting answer.
the obvious choice then is TOS, but they're still not quite formed or even recognizable as the species we know and love/hate. by the time we get to DS9, voyager, and enterprise, they're parodies of themselves... reduced to a cliche where their every other word is either "honor" or "qapla".
so i said TNG, because they're right in the middle. but that's not a very exciting answer.
DS9, I think Martok is the best Klingon character
I'd actually rate VOY as having the worst Klingons by far. Worse than ENT (which had no votes here) or TAS (which barely has them at all).
I mean, yes, there's Torres. But she's for the most part a character who happens to be half Klingon, not a Klingon character. She categorically rejects her Klingon ancestry for most of the series. Barge of the Dead is the only decent thing VOY ever did with it, and it's (not unsurprisingly) Bryan Fuller reworking a rejected script that Ron Moore wrote for Worf on DS9. But besides that, the series does very, very little with Klingons. Even the episode Lineage (which I thought was one of the best character episodes of the series) is more about Torres' discomfort with her Klingon ancestry than actually about Klingons per se.
All of the other things involving Klingons - from their holodeck appearences to Torres' season 1 split in Faces to the 7th season episode Prophecy - were just fucking terrible stereotypes. Everything that people accuse DS9 of doing to Klingons, VOY is actually guilty of.
TOS Movies
There are several reasons why that I don't have time to post at the current moment. But that's the short answer.
There are several reasons why that I don't have time to post at the current moment. But that's the short answer.
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