DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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No reason that should be a problem. Movie franchises rarely pay any attention to their TV spinoffs. Even the MCU's pretense of interconnection between movies and TV only goes in one direction.
Which is something a franchise can rebound from. There have been a number of poorly received James Bond movies, but the series always recovered. And the X-Men film series recovered from a couple of really bad movies.
As a matter of fact, despite the box office, I liked Justice League quite a bit and thought it was successful at fixing the problems of its predecessors, or at least ignoring them. My impression is that they're on the right track at last after their initial screwups. They just need the courage to stay the course instead of panicking and redoing their whole plan every time a single film underperforms.
Nothing wrong with starting with a team movie. It worked for X-Men and The Incredibles. The problem with Suicide Squad was how it introduced its characters, beginning the film with an endless succession of clumsy infodumps without establishing any plot or stakes to make them meaningful. That was a structural problem with the execution, not a problem with the overall practice of beginning with a team movie. People always want to blame the whole category for failings of a specific example.
For what? For DC movies altogether? Certainly not; it's too valuable a franchise. There will continue to be efforts to make DC films as long as superhero/comics films remain popular, and that's a trend that's already outlived multiple predictions of its imminent collapse. For the DCEU continuity specifically? Conceivably, but it seems like they're sticking with the practice of reworking the existing continuity, like the X-Men films did, rather than ending it and starting over. For certain Warner Bros. execs in charge of the DCEU? Possibly, though I think that's already happened more than once and it didn't end the continuity.
I liked both Ezra Miller's Flash and Ray Fisher's Cyborg quite a bit. They were among my favorite elements of Justice League.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/421387-report-henry-cavill-is-out-as-superman-in-the-dceu#/slide/1From his agent:
https://twitter.com/DanyGarciaCo/status/1039902939261808640
"Be peaceful, the cape is still in his closet. @wbpictures has been and continues to be our partners as they evolve the DC Universe. Anticipate a WB statement later today."
And here is the reply from Warners mentioned in the above tweet - see update 2. I have to be honest though, they need to get a new Superman film into production pronto, otherwise this kind of speculation will just go on. Also, if Cavill isn't out and fingers crossed he isn't, what's going to happen with Superman's (alledged) cameo in Shazam?
I'm disappointed to hear about Cavill, while I wasn't a huge fan of how the character was written, Cavill really did have to potential to be a great Superman if he was given the right script.
I don't know if a reboot would really be necessary, movies recast all the time, and they do seem to be setting off in a better direction with Wonder Woman, JL, and based on the trailers Aquaman and Shazam.
I have enjoyed all of the DCEU movies to one degree or another, and I do think there is a lot of potential in what's been set up, if they can just get a better handle on it, which they seem to starting to do.
I don't know if a reboot would really be necessary, movies recast all the time, and they do seem to be setting off in a better direction with Wonder Woman, JL, and based on the trailers Aquaman and Shazam.
I have enjoyed all of the DCEU movies to one degree or another, and I do think there is a lot of potential in what's been set up, if they can just get a better handle on it, which they seem to starting to do.
It would be a shame if Cavill quits, I like his Superman in Justice eague, but a returns with Routh would also be great
I fear that that's where we're headed. Since we'll definitively find out about Affleck's Batman in the next few months I guess it was too much to hope that the "will he/won't he?" cycle of clickbait will end there... but no, they'll just replace the actor in the headlines.
You're right about a lot of things, although we will have do agree to differ about Flash and Cyborg, and any of the issues I raised are surmountable. Indeed, some or many of them together are surmountable, but this is an ongoing pattern of poor decision making that I see no indication of improving. As I said, I have little faith in the powers that be.
I enjoyed BvS quite a bit despite it's issues, Justice League a bit less so. I don't want the current DC continuity to end, I want it to be fantastic, but I'm pessimistic.
I'm sure DC films will continue on in some form or other - as you say, it's financially improbable that they won't, but this...mess isn't looking good.
They should just turn the current dark dceu into the Injustice universe and have a movie where classic versions of all the characters show up with no origins or introductions, acting like the real characters, and taking down the Interlopers in a quasi reboot with no explanation. Like these are our characters that we've always had
I'm less concerned as a fan about losing Cavill than Affleck. Cavill was ok, but just that. Affleck did feel like he was getting a paycheck gig, but I still think he and Snyder brought something, a physicality, to the part other incarnations hadn't. If WB/DC want to take time resetting and introducing single character films with some new actors, fine. They have Gadot/WW and hopefully Momoa's Aquaman (or not).
This is disappointing. My problems with the WoDC have had nothing to do with the casting. I actually rather enjoy both Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck in their DC roles and wanted to see them both continue on.
I like Cavill as Superman. I'd love to eventually get another Superman movie with him. But Affleck never clicked, BvS was a huge disappointment and JL was a trash fire. I'd be perfectly happy to see the shared universe go away and just let Wonder Woman, Superman and Harley Quinn have their own separate series. Batman's had plenty of movies, anyway.
Hahaha! Called this months ago, and I'm right again as usual. The general public responded poorly to Cavill's Superman and the films featuring Cavill's Superman were critical and financial disappointments. WB would be bonkers to continue with his Superman.
I'm good with a full-on reboot, even if it's a long time from now.
This means Cavill, Adams, Eisenberg, Fishbourne, Lane are all gone. Affleck is next.
I'm good with a full-on reboot, even if it's a long time from now.
This means Cavill, Adams, Eisenberg, Fishbourne, Lane are all gone. Affleck is next.
Now the other shoe drops.
Affleck is reportedly out as well
https://nypost.com/2018/09/12/ben-a...ollowing-henry-cavills-rumored-superman-exit/
I think this 5 year odyssey has taken it's toll on Affleck
-First he was denounced by the fans
-Then his portrayal was met with huge praise but BVS didn't do astronomical numbers like WB hoped. This causes Affleck to fall into a depression
-Then he puts his blood and tears into Justice League. That was panned by fans.
-The guy is broken and not that enthusiastic.
He wanted to put out a great movie but there were alot of obstacles
Affleck is reportedly out as well
https://nypost.com/2018/09/12/ben-a...ollowing-henry-cavills-rumored-superman-exit/
I think this 5 year odyssey has taken it's toll on Affleck
-First he was denounced by the fans
-Then his portrayal was met with huge praise but BVS didn't do astronomical numbers like WB hoped. This causes Affleck to fall into a depression
-Then he puts his blood and tears into Justice League. That was panned by fans.
-The guy is broken and not that enthusiastic.
He wanted to put out a great movie but there were alot of obstacles
I genuinely think that as good as Affleck was, his heart wasn't really in it. Though I believe he really wanted to do a great Batman/detective/origin story in the wake of 'Argo'. But sometimes we don't get what we want. Actors/directors have other stuff going on in their lives. Time to regroup, think...and move forward
LOL. That's not a reliable outlet.
But Affleck has been gone for a long time, so they aren't wrong.