Extreme ideology on both sides is marked by antagonism and an unwillingness to expore or understand the other side's point of view. This is true of both sides of the spectrum. It takes two to tango.
Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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Extreme ideology on both sides is marked by antagonism and an unwillingness to expore or understand the other side's point of view. This is true of both sides of the spectrum. It takes two to tango.
I agree but to be honest i'm not so sure people are always in constant conflict as much in real life as they are on the internet. I still think that old adage about never talking about politics or religion with strangers is still true in the real world for the most part. You can't just going around calling people assholes or whatever in real life and function. If the internet use to be people's escape from the real world it might now be it's punching bag were you can take things out on people for the problems in your life or the real injustices happening in the world. Especially with poltics since our leaders no longer care or listen so where else do you go to complain about the wrong things you feel they are doing.
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Jesus, not even. More people are concerned with gender of actors than they are with the gender of their President. People are more worried about bad jokes someone made on twitter than they are with the words and actions of politicians who run things in the real world. Not liking a flavor of ice-cream on the internet now equates to hating all people who like that flavor of ice-cream.
@Awesome Possum is correct. The right loves the government when it does what they want it to. In and of itself, that's just like everyone else, and it's disingenuously silly to claim otherwise.
To the present-day right, the government doing what they want it to means imposing the conception of fascism and hard-right Christianity that they favor on the whole country.
You can't criminalize abortion without using the government to enforce it. You can't ban Muslims from entering the country without using the government to enforce it. You can't pass a Constitutional amendment banning flag burning without amending the founding principles of government and using the government to enforce it. These represent some of the theocratic and/or fascist ways in which the right has stated that they want to use government.*
The right doesn't like government at all = LULZ.
* - In before somebody says not everyone on the right wants these things.
That I think it comes from the fact that complaining has netted results via small victories. Alex Jones is seen as victory even though he will proably just become more popular and their will be 10 more guys on Youtube just like him to fill the gap. WInning the internet can feel important when you feel helpless to what is going on in the real world. PLus every once in awhile you even might get a real victory like #Metoo. but those are very rare. On the other hand nothing phases Corporations or Politicans from the two things I think they care about and that is money and REAL power. Nothing we every say about them will ever matter again. They control everything including elections and people' money. They aren't in the case of corruptions even beholden to any specific country. I think people are just now coming to understand those dystopian futures we were used to in Sci-Fi have become reality. If we are in "Blade Runner" mode right now I guess the next phase is "Mad Max" world.
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Except one side wants to make it impossible for certain groups to live in this country purely out of bigotry, so you can't really compare them.
This certainly can be the case, but at the moment there really isn't a prominent extreme left, certainly not in mainstream US politics, there's centre left, there's right and there's extreme right, with the latter gaining momentum.
I'm not sure there's really a centre left, not by European standards anyway.
Probably not, even the Obama administration was centrist by our measure
Am I the only one who gets confused as to just where you fit on the scales?. I always considered myself far left but now I wonder if I am center left. Also how does it count if you agree with something but maybe not the strategy others want to use to fight for them? Does ideology even come down to the type of methods you feel should be use to make changes? I don't even know where to rank my views on PC. I am totally PC in my own behavior towards people but i'm also against make strict moral stands on people who aren't PC and simply see it's as a aspect of people having different backgrounds and personalities. Then I toss in a extra level by seperating PC in real life from fiction and comedy. PC often conflicts my bigger issue's in being really agaisnt censorship and 1st Amendment rights. Yet at the same time I want news to have stronger standards as to what counts as news and how it is covered.
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Blame it on a dependency, go to rehab, and then claim to be reborn is spin-101.
Like the left, they want less government interference when convenient; for example, some factions of the right want a "hands off" position on gun control, while some on the left are all about the government leaving them alone about open production / use of drugs considered illegal. Usually, its only when they hold a position they know the other side would find beyond intolerable that its "Yay---the government!" comes in. Both play that game and it only advances the harder divisions long set among the population, but you will never see either side admit this, because...you know...
Not too far from the truth. That "you know" mentioned above speaks to the truth that as much as some scream and squeal "its not us,--its them!", no ideological side is free from agenda, media-spinning, well-funded campaigns to hurt or subvert the "enemy", and bend public will / personal belief their way. Any denial of that is part of the cancerous, manipulative, ideological game of "its not us, its them". They are full of bullshit in the extreme, and you're seeing it play out now, with only a few genuinely interested in the welfare of others.
Exactly. In the case of Gunn, consequences have no shelf life--except in certain cases (several examples posted a few pages back). Gunn held some of the most unforgivable interests/beliefs to be found in human society, and it should tell any clear-thinking, moral person all they need to know about those with the single, blinders-on concern about who released the information, instead of the content / motives of the person behind the information.
You've spent more time attacking a guy for creepy jokes, with comically over the top fake outrage than you've spent attacking ACTUAL pedophiles. Enough already. The jokes were creepy, he got fired....meanwhile there are people out there actually molesting kids. Get some fucking perspective.
It's one of the most bizarrely absurd statements ever posted on this site. It's using actual suffering as a prop, it's disgusting.
This is true and we are seeing that very dynamic played out here in this situation, but I'm not sure acknowledging something is equivalent to legitimising it.
Whilst I agree Disney had no choice in this instance there is a broader issues about the use of people's behaviour as a wider smear against the wider political demographic they are a part of. By deliberately failing to make the distinction between personal and collective responsibility we are seeing a tendency to weaponise the suffering of actual victims, which as you say yourself is about as far from showing genuine concern for their wellbeing as it is possible to get. Both Gunn's jokes and the backlash stemming from this affair are forcing people to relive real experiences.
Both the behaviour and the deliberate political exposure have an impact on the people we should be most concerned about, but are in practise sidelined except for their role as convenient ammunition
Learn to read, you fool. Im one of the few in this thread to show any concern for the victims--
What was that, again?
Perspective? You missed that in your hobbled, empty-skulled attack. You can run back to those who spent more time in this thread defending Gunn's sick mind/interests and the future of a damned movie series than any concern for victims. But that is to be expected in this morally bankrupt society that--apparently--has the stage.
Where is your concern for the victims? Or is it easier to post easily shattered flames?
Not an ounce of sense or truth. No surprise.
It absolutely does. Extremism tends to support "the ends justifies the means".
The other thing is, remember the thread topic. The specifics of the James Gunn firing have been lost as people attempt to exploit it to soap-box for their particular ideology. Just as Cernovich wanted to use Gunn as payback, the left just mirror that back with their resulting outrage for being forced to eat one of their own. The incident in question and any sense of fairness or justice gets lost in the sea of dueling politics.
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