Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/disturbing-old-photos-james-gunn-bizarre-party-surface/
ETA: Just grabbed the first one I saw, then realized that link doesn't show both pictures. This one does: http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/...mes-gunn-at-to-catch-a-predator-themed-party/
ETA: Just grabbed the first one I saw, then realized that link doesn't show both pictures. This one does: http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/...mes-gunn-at-to-catch-a-predator-themed-party/
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Their is no proof that this was a "Catch a Predator" theme party. The person who makes the tweet says it is but nothing in the photo's proves it. What does a rabbit and a clown have to do with that show or whatever that person in the red shirt is wearing?. Plus wasn't that show about busting pedophiles and the show itself has been a source of humor as well for years. I have seen plenty of comedy skits based on it and you often see that Chris Hanson photo show up because the show. Heck making fun of Catholic priests have become the but of jokes as well.
Another thing it's proably no accident that this shows up when Disney is thinking about re-hiring him or going with his script. Somebody has been sitting on this photo waiting for the best time to release it from a strategic point-of-view.
Jason
I'm inclined to be skeptical it was actually the theme of the party, too. Mind you - people have been unquestionably known to be exactly that stupid and more, before. There's very little way to know for certain.
But the screencap shows it was Gunn himself who added the pedophile context to it. We can hold judgement to see if he denies it - if, perhaps, that part was photoshopped. But quite frankly, it fits 100% in the pattern of all his other tweets, so I doubt if photoshop was actually involved here.
The only thing I find odd about this is why it's somehow supposed to be a major development in the story. It looks, as I said, pretty much along the same lines as all his other tweets that everyone already knew about.
But the screencap shows it was Gunn himself who added the pedophile context to it. We can hold judgement to see if he denies it - if, perhaps, that part was photoshopped. But quite frankly, it fits 100% in the pattern of all his other tweets, so I doubt if photoshop was actually involved here.
The only thing I find odd about this is why it's somehow supposed to be a major development in the story. It looks, as I said, pretty much along the same lines as all his other tweets that everyone already knew about.
Yes, its all innocent fun and games from a man with innumerable pedophile tweets and shows up at a mocking "Catch a Predator" party. He was obsessed with the idea of pedophilia to have dedicated so much of his non-working life to that one, horrible crime..
From others who seem to think preying on children is just a knee-slapper to end them all.
...and they are right to release the photos--if for no other reason than to put Disney on the spot about their so-called "values" as an alleged "family friendly" company--or will they go back to Gunn, showing the world that they do not give a damn about what Gunn was doing and the Marvel assembly line means more to the company than Gunn's behavior/beliefs about an unforgivable crime.
Well observed. No one dresses as a priest for some reference to the pedophile scandal from the Catholic church, and posts near endless "jokes" about pedophilia and rape online unless its an obsession. This is no guy trying to fight against pedophilia by exposing behavior (that needs no introduction as its a global crisis)--he's interested in it.
But I see some are still willing to ignore this pattern and try to attack or dismiss the photos based on source. No one made Gunn do any of this--the tweets, the party--any of it. Its all his choice and interest.
It's Gunn's behavior that has made that narrative plausible.
I'm afraid I have to agree, this is politically motivated, but he left himself wide open to it.
Well some websites like Breitbart could be deemed a political discussion nightmare if posted on a star trek board. I choose to mention what surfaced but not link to Breitbart. You'll have to google the recent James Gunn news.
Couldn't this obsession be addressed towards the people who are trying to expose Gunn and make him into a pedophile though. I think history has shown some of the biggest moral cops have a history of being guilty of the very things they are trying in theory to bring down. Usually more guilty than the people they are trying to bring down. Typical witchhunt type of stuff or McCarthy's battle against the Red scare.
Also something I am curious about is that I don't think Gunn put these pictures online, unlike the jokes. At what point does his or anyones privacy matter. Are we getting to a point where people don't want to play judge and juror over people just online but also in the real world. I mean that has done some good in showing some of the police abuse but we can also see some of the dangers of people being able to take someones photo or record them and post it online without their consent. Especially when you know people are making money off the ability to get people to search for dirt on people.
Jason
Sure. And putting those two things—the jokes and the party—next to each appear to create a pattern of behavior. Gunn has given us context for the jokes, we are left to create our own context for the party.
So, again, it’s obvious someone on the internet wants us to draw conclusions about Gunn’s behavior. Rightly or wrongly.
The only conclusion I've drawn regarding his behavior is that a few years back his sense of humor was a bit more off-kilter than some were comfortable with, and that he used it to try to draw attention without as much regard as might have been prudent for whether the attention drawn was positive or otherwise.
Of course, a few years back Peter Jackson was making the kinds of ridiculous movies that many fans of LotR probably wouldn't especially approve of.
Turns out people change over time. Shocking.
Of course, a few years back Peter Jackson was making the kinds of ridiculous movies that many fans of LotR probably wouldn't especially approve of.
Turns out people change over time. Shocking.
Sure.
When I was in college, shortly after River Phoenix overdosed, we threw a "River Phoenix Seizure Party." It was dark humor, and it was out of desire to get people's attention. Today, I have--still--an interest in true crime, people living on the fringes of what's "normal," I've read a ton of books on Jack the Ripper, James Ellroy, etc. This doesn't mean I'm hiding a deep dark secret, that I'm dealing drugs on the street and murdering prostitutes in foggy London.
I think we should be careful on a STAR TREK message board about wagging fingers about when someone should've outgrown something.
OK, now that I've seen the photos, I'm still not that bothered by it, people do stupid theme party's like this all the time.
Do we know for a fact it was his party and he picked theme? Maybe someone else put the party together and picked the theme, and thought it would be funny to invite Gunn after seeing his posts.
There's still way, way, way to many unknowns in this situation for me to be willing to judge Gunn for it.
Do we know for a fact it was his party and he picked theme? Maybe someone else put the party together and picked the theme, and thought it would be funny to invite Gunn after seeing his posts.
There's still way, way, way to many unknowns in this situation for me to be willing to judge Gunn for it.
IDK - It's admittedly a dark type of humor, but I also don't know if him going to a themed party like that makes him any more 'obsessed' about the material than anyone who may have routinely watched "To Catch A Predator" on MSNBC from 2004 - 2007. That's like saying anyone who goes to a Halloween party dressed as a serial killer must somehow want to be a serial killer.
Again, unless there WERE minors at the party exposed to this, and if it was all still around the same time as the tweets that Disney ultimately fired him over; while it's not a particularly smart thing to do when you're in a public facing career where reputation is your calling card; I don't think it makes him an out and out Pedophile.
If you can find a continuing pattern after James Gunn realized how stupid this all was back wehn he first apologized for some of it back in 2012:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/guardians-galaxy-director-james-gunn-395796
I mean he started his career doing the Toxic-Avenger/Tromaverse related films:
http://troma.wikia.com/wiki/James_Gunn
And if you look over his early filmography, it's a lot of off color and teen horror/very soft R type stuff. Was he stupid, and was Disney justified? Yep. That said, I don't think the latest stuff being dredged up (if it's around the same time frame) paints him in any worse of a light then the tweets and blogs from 2009 - 2011 already has. Was he igonorant/stupid to think stuff like that back in 2009 would help his career? Yes. But unless someone can find anything recent, he seems to have realized it, and moved on, and further, taken responsibility for it and owned up to it.
Disney was never going to change it's mind on Gunn in any capacity, because if they did; the same alt-right idiots would cry 'hypocriosy' if Disney/ABC didn't also re-hire Rosanne Barr (even though the two situations ARE different because we're talking about Gunn's actions of nearly a decade ago (which he acknowledged a bit back in 2011 and again in 2018); while Barr's latest racist tweet that got her canned was a little over two months ago; and she's still not really taking actual responsibility for it.
If this counts as a pattern of interest in pedophile humor what you call the 6 or so years since this happened without any of these kinds of jokes? Doesn't that represent a pattern of changed behavior? You can spot patterns in anything if you want to. Who wants to bet he has a pattern of dick jokes or some other kind of jokes as well if you want to find such a pattern. Did you know I have a pattern o feating olives even though I don't do it often but if you want to I bet you could find dozens and dozens of examples of me eating Olives through the years thus meaning I have Olive eating pattern.
Jason
Jason
Like Conan.
No one made Gunn obsessed with pedophilia subject matters, make innumerable posts about, or dress as a Catholic priest at a party with that theme. His own beliefs/obsession/history set him up, not the off-the-rails fantasy of some dastardly cabal organized to lay traps for poor, unsuspecting, good-hearted innocents.
That's smoke and mirrors designed to steer attention from and/or remove blame from the proven guilty party--in this case, Gunn. No matter who was behind the release of the tweets and the photos, the issue--the only issue is Gunn's beliefs/behavior that were all self-generated, and the "why" of his apparent interest in a public interest ("jokes") about pedophilia/rape should be brought forward, not defended with off-track privacy arguments, or have others run cover for him like Bautista.
The why is obvious.
He wanted to shock people with something he felt was funny at the time. Or, at least, people's reactions is what people like that often find funny, not the joke itself. "Edgelord" is what the kids call these people. They're all talk and nothing more sinister than that.
And then he moved on from that.
Now people want to keep ruining his current life because he ruined... nobodys?
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