Physical Strength of the StarTrek races

[RedShirtnpanties]

This is for Longinus. I am referencing this~
https://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php?title=Andorian
It is mentioned in the first line of Physiology. Again I am a complete noob, I do not know if this source is considered reputable or not. I'm just a hack artist that got commissioned to do some Star Trek characters. They pay I create...

Thank you all for the input, I think I may hang around. Not a fan of the latest Trek show but I do love the original.

 

[Timo]

Regarding reputability, the top sources for obsessive fans (and by obsessive fans) are the wikis going by the names Memory Alpha and Memory Beta. The former tries to stick to things actually shown or mentioned in the episodes and movies, while the latter also includes the official books (and used to include RPG stuff until most of the RPGs were declared "unofficial", losing their licenses, yadda yadda).

Basically everything else out there adds speculation to the material, and is frowned upon by many. The 118wiki and Memory Gamma etc. are basically wikis for RPG groups, with some general Trek knowledge sprinkled on for the convenience of a single source of information. But going to Memory Alpha or Memory Beta isn't all that inconvenient, either.

Although since both the top Memories are fan-built wikis, their contents, too, are subject to constant debate here...

Then again, even material from the official websites of the actual makers of the shows is often disputed or disregarded if it doesn't actually match what we see on screen or on the pages. It's not easy, being a trekkie!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Longinus]

This is for Longinus. I am referencing this~
https://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php?title=Andorian
It is mentioned in the first line of Physiology. Again I am a complete noob, I do not know if this source is considered reputable or not. I'm just a hack artist that got commissioned to do some Star Trek characters. They pay I create...

This seems to be wiki for some online community and contains a lot of completely made up stuff, like most of the physiology section of that Andorian article.

I really can't recall any instance of an Andorian displaying any sort of extraordinary strength, nor such thing being mentioned or even hinted at. Then again, Andorians have not been featured in that many episodes. They're mostly seen in ENT, where Vulcan super strength is never displayed either.

And as already said, Memory Alpha is the wiki that is based on the canon material and also cites sources pretty well.

 

[Kor]

This is for Longinus. I am referencing this~
https://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php?title=Andorian
It is mentioned in the first line of Physiology. Again I am a complete noob, I do not know if this source is considered reputable or not. I'm just a hack artist that got commissioned to do some Star Trek characters. They pay I create...

Thank you all for the input, I think I may hang around. Not a fan of the latest Trek show but I do love the original.

That's for a fan-run RPG, so their info isn't official.

Kor

 

[Longinus]

I never got the impression that Klingons as a race were any stronger than humans. The TOS Klingons weren't and even the TNG Klingons don't give that impression much. Sure, Worf seems to be at times (as the story dictates, of course).

I don't buy that it is just Worf. B'Elanna and Kruge display considerable strength too. And lifting and throwing a man like Work does in 'Let He Who Is Without Sin...' seems like superhuman feat to me, beyond what even a strong human could do. So Worf may be strong for Klingon, but his still stronger than even really strong humans, implying that Klingon baseline is higher.

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[JirinPanthosa]

We need to remember that main characters get a two category bonus. They also get automated attack and defense multipliers when their HP drops below 25%. You can’t draw any conclusions from a fight between a main and non-main.

Remember in the prison camp Worf proved himself stronger than gem hadar. It took their best man to beat him in a severely weakened state.

Do we have any direct evidence of Romulans having Vulcan strength. We never really see them fight hand to hand.

 

[Herbert]

I don't buy that it is just Worf. B'Elanna and Kruge display considerable strength too. And lifting and throwing a man like Work does in 'Let He Who Is Without Sin...' seems like superhuman feat to me, beyond what even a strong human could do. So Worf may be strong for Klingon, but his still stronger than even really strong humans, implying that Klingon baseline is higher.

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Poor Monte Markham but I suppose he was asking for it. Still, this one scene does not seem to be replicated anywhere in TNG. Worf never appears that strong. Maybe he started taking steroids. Seriously though, this illustrates dramatically the explanation, "as the story dictates." No deeper explanation needs be bandied about really.

 

[Longinus]

Do we have any direct evidence of Romulans having Vulcan strength. We never really see them fight hand to hand.

I think Nero displays some super strength in 09. I don't remember well, I don't like that film. In any case, they definitely should posses at least some of the Vulcan strength. They're only diverged 2000 years ago, not enough time for significant evolutionary changes. Though tiny population pool that has possibly being exposed to all sort of radiation or other weirdness over their centuries long space diaspora might result higher than normal amount of genetic changes. Also, if Romulus did not have the same sort of high gravity than Vulcan, then that may have caused some atrophy. But even if Romulans for some reason would be somewhat weaker than Vulcans, they'd still probably be noticeably stronger than humans, considering how crazy strong Vulcans are.

 

[Longinus]

Poor Monte Markham but I suppose he was asking for it. Still, this one scene does not seem to be replicated anywhere in TNG. Worf never appears that strong. Maybe he started taking steroids. Seriously though, this illustrates dramatically the explanation, "as the story dictates." No deeper explanation needs be bandied about really.

In TNG Worf usually tries to fight all sorts of strange überbeings. In DS9 mentions of his strength are made. I think they were somewhat consistent. That he doesn't go around throwing people at walls in every episode doesn't mean he isn't strong.

 

[Timo]

It is pretty clear Worf is not making a one-hand lift and throw there.. His other hand is not seen, but we can easily surmise which parts it is grabbing for extra support!

Nero and his sidekick Ael both do one-armed lifts and Jedi-caliber jumps while fighting Kirk and Spock in the end. Looks cool and convincing IMHO...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[matthunter]

It's a shame Worf never got to have a proper fight with the Romulans he so loathed. In "Redemption II", Sela feels confident a single Romulan guard can handle the captive Worf, and this indeed happens. But when Lursa and B'Etor flee, Worf suddenly evenly grapples with the very same guard, despite just having been tortured three ways from Tuesday. We just don't get to see how that fight would end before Kurn barges in.

Umm. We do. Worf drops the Romulan AS Kurn enters, quite decisively. There's no "distracted by the reinforcements" moment, he's on his way to the floor at the precise moment the door opens.

 

[matthunter]

As for "humans versus Klingons" moments, Kirk favours heavy attacks and the DS9 fights usually depict our heroes having to use two-handed blows or kicks (leg muscles being more powerful) to take down Klingons. We can probably attribute the DS9 crews' ability to deal with Klingons to the following:

Sisko: Captain of the Academy wrestling team, highly adapt boxer, Bald of Awesome.
Dax: 300 years experience, routinely uses Klingon weapons training on the holodeck, understands Klingon psychology.
Kira: War veteran and Goddess of Death
Bashir: Genetically enhanced
Odo: Founder
Garak: James Bond with a spoon on his head

O'Brien gets punched out, but he'll probably be back up to shoot the inconvenient survivor threatening someone else, like he did against the guy in TNG's The Hunted.

Quark will have two hidden disruptors in a cask of bloodwine or somesuch.

Rom will rig up a booby trap. I'm not going to make a joke about Leeta here because 2takes is in enough trouble.

 

[Kor]

Wesley would build some kind of Rube Goldberg machine to attack the enemy.

Kor

 

[Timo]

Lwaxana Troi would put in a couple of really humiliating remarks. Or strip. She never signed any Geneva conventions.

Only a few Trek species stand out with their strengths. Many stand out with their weaknesses, for their villainous dramatic role. Those are probably more decisive than the perceived strengths in the end.

- Klingons have their personal glory thing and their thick foreheads (and hate cold but love booze).
- Romulans are obsessed with secrecy, byzantine plots and betrayal.
- Cardassians look down on their enemies and go by the book.
- Vulcans are even worse there.
- Andorians don't trust anybody.
- Ferengi are blinded by greed.
- Borg lack initiative.
- Jem'Hadar are addicted to drugs and duty.

And so on. The stereotypes probably give tactical advantage even in humble little wrestling matches, let alone broader military campaigns. But humans are more broadly defined (they come predefined for the audience, after all, so the writers don't need to do the extra work) and thus lack stereotypical weaknesses. Save, perhaps, for our unique lack of extra protective tissue around our crania.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Commishsleer]

Do we have any direct evidence of Romulans having Vulcan strength. We never really see them fight hand to hand.

In 2009 the Romulans were tossing Kirk around with ease.

I'm thinking Archer is the best fighter of all time. Did anyone of any race defeat him in battle or outsmart him?

 

[USS Excelsior]

What about Norsicans, and Sutterons are stronger as well.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I can’t remember Romulans ever physically fighting anyone in prime timeline. But there are places where if they were they probably would have shown it. Like the Romulan woman in the prison camp made no attempt to physically fight. Maybe they could be as strong as Vulcans but never work out or train so don’t develop the same strength, out of preference for subterfuge and maneuvering.

The same might apply to Ferengi. They could be as strong as humans if they trained, but never do.

 

[matthunter]

I can’t remember Romulans ever physically fighting anyone in prime timeline.

One fights Worf in Redemption, Part 2, as mentioned upthread. Worf has been tortured at this point and is not at peak condition. The Romulan tussles with him for a weapon, then switches to hand-to-hand. Worf beats him down, can't remember if the Romulan got any decent shots in once the play for the gun was over (which looked like Worf was struggling).

There's the Riker/Viceroy fight in Nemesis - the Remans might be stronger than the Romulans but there's no clear evidence why that should be the case beyond the fact they were routinely used for mining labour - the Bajorans aren't super-strong but the Cardassians used them in the same way... because they were disposable.

 

[Lt. Tyler]

Wesley Crusher is the strongest.

 

[HOoftheKinshaya]

The Gorn are immensely strong compared to other Species. The Gorn captain was throwing 1000 pound boulders hundreds of feet which is dozens of times stronger than a human. It was able to take a many ton boulder careening down from a cliff and shake it off in a few moments. That would be like getting hit with a speeding truck and shaking it off. They may be slow and lack agility but they are walking juggernauts.