Paramount Confirms TWO Star Trek films currently in the works!

[fireproof78]

I have a feeling that instead of making reboot haters see things from a new, reasonable, perspective, thank to the comparison with Discovery too, and thus be more accepting of the kelvin timeline as its own thing, they may now demand this trek to be stuck in the past all the more. Irony is that this trek, that is another reality, is less allowed to change things than a show set in the tos reality that is pretty much messing up with established canon.

One need only look at Star Wars fandom to know that this is the case. rarely do fandoms embrace changes because they are largely uncomfortable, unfamiliar, and challenge long held preconceptions of what Star Trek might be. Hence extreme turns of phrase like "Raped my childhood" to describe anything different, even though, arguably, the most popular of Trek's now could be railed against much the same way (TWOK, DS9).

Star Trek is not allowed to change. Change is dangerous, challenging and there is no reason to change what works. That is the idea behind it. It cannot be rationalized with as it is a very emotionally driven attitude.

 

[Markonian]

So, a movie in the works. Was there anything about the Kelvin timeline at STLV?

I only now noticed not a single actor from the Kelvin movies was in attendance, whereas all other series and STO were present.

 

[Garth Rockett]

One need only look at Star Wars fandom to know that this is the case. rarely do fandoms embrace changes because they are largely uncomfortable, unfamiliar, and challenge long held preconceptions of what Star Trek might be. Hence extreme turns of phrase like "Raped my childhood" to describe anything different, even though, arguably, the most popular of Trek's now could be railed against much the same way (TWOK, DS9).

Star Trek is not allowed to change. Change is dangerous, challenging and there is no reason to change what works. That is the idea behind it. It cannot be rationalized with as it is a very emotionally driven attitude.

I often think of my favorite Milk and Cheese strip:



An odd effect of fandom is that in some cases, the same passion that fuels fandom causes an extremist reaction against things fans don't like. I was having a discussion about this in my local comic shop a couple of months ago: No one will ever hate Star Wars more than Star Wars fans, no one will ever hate Star Trek more than Star Trek fans, no one will ever hate Doctor Who more than Doctor Who fans, etc. It's an odd phenomenon, and while I understand it on some level it's always slightly puzzling when I see it in action.

 

[gottacook]

A story went up at the Hollywood Reporter site 1/2 hour ago discussing why the fourth movie is now in doubt:

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-trek-4-chris-pine-chris-hemsworth-talks-fall-1133802

 

[PixelMagic]

Fuck me. So petty that two people who have 10s of millions are haggling over a salary. Either you want to do the project or not, but money at this point is a non issue if you aren't greedy as fuck.

 

[pst]

A story went up at the Hollywood Reporter site 1/2 hour ago discussing why the fourth movie is now in doubt:

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-trek-4-chris-pine-chris-hemsworth-talks-fall-1133802

the main takeaway here is really the last two paragraphs:

"It is unclear what the next step is for Trek 4. The project could recast Kirk and his father. Or perhaps the two sides could come back to the table.

Either way, Paramount and Skydance insiders say the movie, also produced by J.J. Abrams' Bad Robot, remains a priority development and is not being put on hold."

 

[Christopher]

If they could get Pine back but not Hemsworth, maybe they could rewrite it with Pike in place of George Kirk as the father figure encountered through time travel.

Or they could just rewrite the script and drop the time travel altogether, which would be fine with me. We've already had four Trek time-travel movies already (counting the Nexus), and the last one was just three movies ago.

 

[Malaika]

I hope none of the leads get recasted, better a cameo than that or killing the character off.

Hemsworth can go, but it seems the studio doesn't want to respect Pine's previous deal when he signed for a fourth movie. As usual paramount is being cheap lol

Eta: the fact they hadn't made a sure deal with the main cast yet because, if I get that article well, they need to seal Pine first is a bit in contraddition, perhaps, with the recent rumor that they were already casting new characters and the villain, but I dunno.

 

[Ovation]

Fuck me. So petty that two people who have 10s of millions are haggling over a salary. Either you want to do the project or not, but money at this point is a non issue if you aren't greedy as fuck.

Fuck that noise. Hollywood is not a charity. Why should Pine volunteer to take a pay cut when he already has a signed deal in place? Can’t speak to Hemsworth as I don’t know hit contract status.

If it was for a small, indie project, it would not be unreasonable for a production company to ask actors to work at a reduced rate. However, Trek is a tentpole franchise and Paramount is a major Hollywood studio. If they don’t want to pony up, then they can recast. It’s not on the actors. If they were holding out on a signed deal to squeeze more money, then I’d have little sympathy for them. Not the case here.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Hard to do a TOS movie wo Kirk, IMO
It's either pay him, he takes reduced pay (whatever that is), ot recast, but Admiral there will Kirk here

 

[gottacook]

Paramount's own status is currently in doubt. That may be why they are (supposedly) reneging on the deal(s).

 

[PixelMagic]

Fuck that noise. Hollywood is not a charity. Why should Pine volunteer to take a pay cut when he already has a signed deal in place? Can’t speak to Hemsworth as I don’t know hit contract status.

If it was for a small, indie project, it would not be unreasonable for a production company to ask actors to work at a reduced rate. However, Trek is a tentpole franchise and Paramount is a major Hollywood studio. If they don’t want to pony up, then they can recast. It’s not on the actors. If they were holding out on a signed deal to squeeze more money, then I’d have little sympathy for them. Not the case here.

Doesn't matter from my point of view. These men have a net worth more than you or I could ever have in multiple lifetimes, and this idea of "you can never have enough money" is a plague that is destroying our society and planet. Unrestrained greed is a virus.

If they don't want to do Trek because it doesn't interest them, fine, but someone who is already obscenely wealthy need not try to get obscene pay. They should be MORE likely to take less because they are already so fortunate.

 

[Christopher]

Hard to do a TOS movie wo Kirk, IMO

Slaver Weapon: The Movie.

 

[Malaika]

Don't forget that deals are handled by agents, for the most part too. There might be legal issues here: if the studio made a deal with Pine and they don't want to respect it, that's one.


I was thinking that if they don't even respect Pine's deal and he is in doubt, or they think to recast him, the others are hopeless. How much they'll get? I could argue Zoe Saldana is the only a list they have and she is in bigger franchises than Pine, and while she isn't the main character she'd deserve a raise that she probably won't get.
It should be the studio's best interest to get this great cast back since it's widely considered the heart and soul of this reboot. Many don't care much about the villain and general story, they watch because of the chemistry between the characters.

 

[Lawrence B]

Doesn't matter from my point of view. These men have a net worth more than you or I could ever have in multiple lifetimes, and this idea of "you can never have enough money" is a plague that is destroying our society and planet. Unrestrained greed is a virus.

If they don't want to do Trek because it doesn't interest them, fine, but someone who is already obscenely wealthy need not try to get obscene pay. They should be MORE likely to take less because they are already so fortunate.

You realize you are arguing that they should take a pay cut for the sake of helping out a movie studio which makes hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars each year (and which is part of a media conglomerate which is worth billions)?

They aren't being asked to work for the government or a non-profit. What's worse is that they aren't trying to negotiate a new deal; they're fighting for Paramount simply to honor the deals that were already made. Fuck that shit. Nobody should get nickel and dimed by whoever they're working for, no matter how many 0's are at the end of the check.

 

[PixelMagic]

You realize you are arguing that they should take a pay cut for the sake of helping out a movie studio which makes hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars each year (and which is part of a media conglomerate which is worth billions)?

They aren't being asked to work for the government or a non-profit. What's worse is that they aren't trying to negotiate a new deal; they're fighting for Paramount simply to honor the deals that were already made. Fuck that shit. Nobody should get nickel and dimed by whoever they're working for, no matter how many 0's are at the end of the check.

Yes, I'm fully aware. Agree to disagree, then.

 

[johnjm22]

I think having Hemsworth in the film is supposed to be one of its selling points. The studio thinks casting him will help bring in a larger audience. Personally I don't think it will make much difference.

Leave Hemsworth out, leave Kirk's dad out. Now you can afford Pine. Write a new script if you have to. I don't care about Kirk's dad anyways. Go explore something.

 

[Khan 2.0]

If they could get Pine back but not Hemsworth, maybe they could rewrite it with Pike in place of George Kirk as the father figure encountered through time travel.

or... Kirk Prime (time to dust of the original ST3 script)..

 

[pst]

io9's take and i agree/need it to be true:

"We tend to believe it’ll be the latter. Often, stopping contract negotiations and leaking information to the press about it is just a negotiation tactic. It puts pressure on the studio as fans go apeshit that two key actors may not return to the film. That’s probably what’s happening here—but we’ll have to wait and see."

or... Kirk Prime (time to dust of the original ST3 script)..

 

[Khan 2.0]

I think having Hemsworth in the film is supposed to be one of its selling points. The studio thinks casting him will help bring in a larger audience. Personally I don't think it will make much difference.

Shatner would probably bring in more box office than Thor