Of course The Cage is canon.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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"The Menagerie" (TOS) is canon. "The Cage" is a rejected pilot that was never broadcast at the time, of which they cannibalized select elements for that two-part episode. (Note particularly how they re-purposed the ending bit.)Of course The Cage is canon.
But "Relativity" (VGR) and "Regeneration" (ENT) both suggest that FC was part of a causality loop, a predestined "Pogo paradox" that was always supposed to happen.
In any case, the movies provide a fairly strong rebuttal of @Serveaux's "three continuities" model, as they directly connect to TOS and to TNG and beyond, linking them together—while of course taking the same sort of liberties with both (and with one another) as any later series did with either at the same time. And then there's "Trials and Tribble-ations" (DS9) and all sorts of other stuff that makes it unworkable.
It's all one continuity, an endlessly malleable one. I wouldn't even be shocked if, by the time the KT films finish their run, they end up "correcting" the divergence and re-merging back with the Prime continuity somehow. I've been thinking that might be on the cards ever since there was talk of Hemsworth returning as Kirk Sr. and Tarantino wanting to do a story like "City On The Edge Of Forever" (TOS) or "Yesterday's Enterprise" (TNG), both of which are stories based around precisely that. Of course, any and all such plans are still very much hypothetical and in flux, and might not end up happening at all. But one never knows...
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The Cage has been canon since it aired in the 80s.
Well, my proposed theory doesn't eliminate or create multiple timelines (except for the Kelvin alternative). It simply accounts for changes in visual appearances in a (to me) more credible fashion regarding DSC to TOS. TNG is far enough forward to have fashion converge to what is familiar to that era (until future productions/reboots/etc. change things again--I'm not attached to this theory, or any other).
I do hope there is no "refolding" of Kelvinverse into "prime". That would be annoying.
Didn't say that.Of course The Cage is canon.
Well, startrek.com has "The Cage" in its list of TOS episodes and lists TOS as "offical canon", so it can be said that "The Cage" is offically canon!I don't think that's at all a definitively settled matter at this point.
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The Cage is canon. More importantly, however, canon is the cage from which Star Trek cannot escape.
It is settled.I don't think that's at all a definitively settled matter at this point.
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As "settled" as whether deleted scenes, alternate cuts, remastered versions, and animated series are, I suppose...
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Disagreed. "The Cage" is as canon as is TAS. That is...maybe? Completely? Partially? Very broadly?
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"The Cage" is canon. Well, maybe except for lines of dialogue like "the time barrier has been broken," which may have been Roddenberry's attempt to describe when warp drive was invented in that universe by saying the S.S. Columbia crashed before Earth ships could travel as fast as the Enterprise. Now we either have to decide in our own heads what José Tyler meant when he said that or just ignore it as a complete throwaway line in light of the 750 television episodes and 13 films that followed.
Frankly, I just like to think he meant some unspecified improvement in warp drive made since the Columbia crash that made Federation ships a lot faster than their counterparts of 18 years before, but it's also a line you can just ignore and not bother to take seriously now that the rest of the Trek universe has been so thoroughly fleshed out.
Frankly, I just like to think he meant some unspecified improvement in warp drive made since the Columbia crash that made Federation ships a lot faster than their counterparts of 18 years before, but it's also a line you can just ignore and not bother to take seriously now that the rest of the Trek universe has been so thoroughly fleshed out.
Yeah, the people who think "The Cage" is non-canon are in a distinct minority and I don't think their arguments hold water.
But in "The Cage" when the Talosians say they'll give Vina back her illusion of beauty "and more" they mean they'll also give her a wholly illusory version of Pike to frolic with for the rest of her days. In "The Menagerie" (TOS), when they say that, they mean they'll make her even more beautiful than she was, and the Pike she ultimately gets to frolic with at the end is the real one...
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This argument makes no sense.
Of course "The Cage" has to be canon, because it's events were directly referenced in "The Menagerie." It showed us what the Enterprise in the 2250s was like.
Of course "The Cage" has to be canon, because it's events were directly referenced in "The Menagerie." It showed us what the Enterprise in the 2250s was like.
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