Throwaway lines that hint at untold stories

[Enterprise1701]

First contact between Klingons and the Federation as told in the episode "First Contact". Totally different to what we saw in "Broken Bow" (or even "The Vulcan Hello"), this version led to decades of war and the creation of the Prime Directive.

First contact with Klingons yes, but did Picard say it was between Klingons and Humans? The Federation has many species as members.

I thought the logical conclusion to make from canonical evidence in summary is that Picard was referring to Vulcan-Klingon first contact. After all, Picard is a Federation citizen, and Vulcan history has influenced Federation policy, has it not?

 

[uniderth]

Rasmussen was the one who stumbled on to the machine. And we pretty much saw what he did with it in "A Matter of Time." I never got the impression that the time machine passed through other hands before Rasmussen found it.

What episode is that from?

But what about after Rasmussen, when it went back to 22nd Century New Jersey and stranded him on the Enterprise?

That's what I was trying to say. Rasmussen got if from the time traveler. But then when he was stranded on the Enterprise, the time machine was on auto pilot still went back to 22nd century New Jersey.

It went back to Rasmussen when he first stumbled upon it, and he then invented the whole 26th century thing and travelled to Picard's time. The time machine has no origin.

I guess that's why he said that the clothes he got from the first guy fit so well.

 

[MAGolding]

I just watched TNG episode "A Matter of Time" with my daughter. In that episode Rasmussen mentions that the time machine is on auto pilot back to 22nd Century New Jersey.

I wonder who stumbled upon that time machine and what adventures they had.

Flight of the Navigator anyone?

RASMUSSEN: Oh, this is a time pod, and it is from the twenty sixth century. At least that's what the poor fellow said. You see, he decided to travel back to the twenty second century, that's my time, and he had the misfortune of meeting me. His clothes fit quite well, don't you think? Took me weeks to figure out how to work this thing.

I wonder what Rasmussen did to the unfortunate time traveler. Did the time traveler survive?

It went back to Rasmussen when he first stumbled upon it, and he then invented the whole 26th century thing and travelled to Picard's time. The time machine has no origin.

So you imagine a closed time loop, and a time a machine that was never created. But what about the time traveler Rasmussen mentioned? Unless Rasmussen lied about that time traveler and implied that he had probably murdered someone imaginary, the time traveler existed and thus a time loop theory would have to be more complex than you stated.

That's what I was trying to say. Rasmussen got if from the time traveler. But then when he was stranded on the Enterprise, the time machine was on auto pilot still went back to 22nd century New Jersey.
I guess that's why he said that the clothes he got from the first guy fit so well.

But Rasmussen's statement implies the time loop must have been more complex than that so rethink it and come up with a version that accounts for the time traveler he mentioned.

How about Garrovick's tall tales including Kirk aboard the Exeter?
And who is Crotus, from Whom Gods Destroy? An Andorian Tyrant with Shran as his aide or patsy? Greg, get to work.

I believe you mean the tall tales Kirk could have told young Garrovick about Kirk's adventures with Captain Garrovick aboard the Republic and the Farragut.

 

[Species517]

Deep Space Nine "Children of Time"

YEDRIN: If you want, I could tell you something only Curzon would know. Remember that dancer you met on Pelios station? The one who --
SISKO (interrupting): That'll do, thank you.

 

[FormerLurker]

Kirk being already familiar with both Koloth and Kang might be an indication that they had locked horns before and Koloth was going to be a regular adversary in season two before the changes! Thank the stars for that, it would have been too comedial for me!
JB

Both were originally written to be Kor.

So was Kang. Then he was to be Koloth, but they couldn't get him either, so they created yet a third Klingon adversary for Kirk. Meaning Kirk pissed off a lot of Klingons in his day.

 

[uniderth]

I wonder what Rasmussen did to the unfortunate time traveler. Did the time traveler survive?



So you imagine a closed time loop, and a time a machine that was never created. But what about the time traveler Rasmussen mentioned? Unless Rasmussen lied about that time traveler and implied that he had probably murdered someone imaginary, the time traveler existed and thus a time loop theory would have to be more complex than you stated.



But Rasmussen's statement implies the time loop must have been more complex than that so rethink it and come up with a version that accounts for the time traveler he mentioned.

I agree, I was just playing off the other post . I don't think it was a time loop. Thats why I was wondering what happened to the timeship after it went back on autopilot.

 

[Valenti]

Does anyone know who the first Enterprise Captain was according to GR, the creator of ST? It was Robert April, not Jonathan Archer, so why in hell did they change it? Same reason it was T'Pol and not T'Pau? Then after him, there was Pike, right? Pike was cannon. Seems to me Enterprise came from the JJverse retroactively as it were.

 

[johnnybear]

Both were originally written to be Kor.

Yep I know! Although Kor wouldn't have fitted in that well with Tribbles and Koloth was set to appear in at least 13 of the 26 episodes of the second season! Kang would have been Kor in Day of The Dove but John Colicos was otherwise booked!
JB

 

[johnnybear]

Does anyone know who the first Enterprise Captain was according to GR, the creator of ST? It was Robert April, not Jonathan Archer, so why in hell did they change it? Same reason it was T'Pol and not T'Pau? Then after him, there was Pike, right? Pike was cannon. Seems to me Enterprise came from the JJverse retroactively as it were.

ENT is an alternate reality due to the interference from the Temporal cold War and Future Guy!
JB

 

[Timo]

Umm, what? April was the first captain of an Enterprise, not the first captain of all the Enterprises in history.

And speaking of the Romulans, the commander in "Balance of Terror" laments that he's spent his whole career fighting wars on behalf of the Empire. Against whom?

Against Earthlings? After all, his military career might well have started in the late 21st century, and his short stint of a mere century at a desk job would not register much in his musings now that he's back on the saddle.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[JonnyQuest037]

That's what I was trying to say. Rasmussen got if from the time traveler. But then when he was stranded on the Enterprise, the time machine was on auto pilot still went back to 22nd century New Jersey.

Ah, OK. I was misunderstanding what you were saying. I thought you were talking about before the episode, not after.

And who is Crotus, from Whom Gods Destroy?

There was also the tyrant, Lee Kuan, who was mentioned twice in TOS.

From "Patterns of Force":

MCCOY: It also proves another Earth saying. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Darn clever, these Earthmen, wouldn't you say?
SPOCK: Yes. Earthmen like Ramses, Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Lee Kuan. Your whole Earth history is made up of men seeking absolute power.

From "Whom Gods Destroy":

GARTH: On your knees before me! All the others before me have failed. Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Lee Kuan, Krotus! All of them are dust! But I will triumph! I will make the ultimate conquest!

I'm not even sure if "Lee Kuan" is the correct spelling, as I don't have access to the original scripts for this episodes. I was also finding the spellings "Li Kuan" and "Li Qan" in my searches. But mentioned in the same breath with Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon, and Hitler as someone seeking absolute power... He/She was obviously a pretty significant figure in history that we've heard very little about. Also interesting that Lee Kuan and Krotus were considered significant enough to mention, but Khan Noonian Singh wasn't.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Just thought of another couple of throwaway references: From "The Savage Curtain," the same episode that gave us Surak and Kahless:

Colonel Green, who led a genocidal war early in the 21st century on Earth. Zora, who experimented with the body chemistry of subject tribes on Tiburon. Kahless the Unforgettable, the Klingon who set the pattern for his planet's tyrannies.

Surak and Kahless have been quite developed in other episodes and novels, and Colonel Green got a brief cameo on Enterprise, but as far as I know, Zora hasn't ever been referenced again. We don't even have a time period for her.

And then there's this stray reference from TWOK:

DAVID: Well, don't have kittens. Genesis is going to work. They'll remember you in one breath with Newton, Einstein, Surak...

Every other reference to Surak refers to him as a philosopher who introduced logic and emotional suppression to the Vulcan people. But according to David Marcus, he also made a significant scientific breakthrough on par with Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein. I suppose that this could just be another Vulcan by the same name, but since they never specify that it's a different guy, it's logical to assume that he's one and the same person.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Budapest.

Oops sorry, wrong franchise.

 

[Timo]

Also interesting that Lee Kuan and Krotus were considered significant enough to mention, but Khan Noonian Singh wasn't.

That's something of a fan misunderstanding, really. Khan was not that important in "Space Seed", just one out of the many, many supermen, which is why he wasn't so recognizable that our heroes would have, well, recognized him. He had a reputation of being less monstrous than the others, and he was the last to be overthrown - but by the time they got to Khan, folks might have grown fatigued of the whole business. Absolute rulers of 1/4 of Earth come, absolute rulers of 1/4 of Earth go.

It's not until "Dr Bashir, I Presume" that somebody quotes Khan as symbolic of the Age of Augments. Quite possibly Li Quan was the first and/or the most notorious of the lot, which is why he or she gets all the press.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Valenti]

What about Kazanka, the Klingon who obviously made a significant contribution to science along with Richard Daystrom and not on an assembly line basis mind you.

 

[GNDN18]

That's something of a fan misunderstanding, really. Khan was not that important in "Space Seed", just one out of the many, many supermen, which is why he wasn't so recognizable that our heroes would have, well, recognized him.

KIRK: He was the best of the tyrants and the most dangerous. They were supermen, in a sense. Stronger, braver, certainly more ambitious, more daring.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

What happened at Station Salem One?

 

[Kor]

This may not be what you're looking for, but the reference to the "traitors of Kling" in Heart of Glory made me wonder how cool it would be if all following Klingon-centric episodes ended up with constant references to "Kling."

Or not.

Kor

 

[Riker'sMailbox]

Deep Space Nine "Children of Time"

YEDRIN: If you want, I could tell you something only Curzon would know. Remember that dancer you met on Pelios station? The one who --
SISKO (interrupting): That'll do, thank you.

Would have loved to have seen Sisko and Curzon's adventures together.

 

[The Old Mixer]

What happened at Station Salem One?

Space Pearl Harbor.