USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
- Thread starter EJD1984
- Start date
His sharp and angular style fits the Klingons really well. They should have let him design the Klingon ships for Discovery.
Many Thanks for posting that.
That whole story just goes to show how ridiculous things get behind the scenes. This one doing one thing and that one throwing their weight around and saying no, I want it this way. And in that case, basically all about damn windows again.
Well that's two of you over the years that have wasted time working that out to tell me two conflicting things.
Personally, to me canon has one "that's fucking fast" scale and no one in the show in 50+ years has said differently.
There are websites that have virtual solar systems where you can play around with that, but yes, Earths orbit is significantly smaller and faster than Neptunes. So given the time of year, the distance varies greatly.
No, but we're all a bit obsessive.
The latter. Earth's orbit is only 150 million km, so the variation in distance from here to Neptune falls around 4.5 billion km ± 0.150 billion km. I could re-run the numbers to see how big the variance is, but all the figures we're checking were approximate anyway, spoiler alert, they'll all round to "about three minutes one-way," and as I've just been reminded, thirty seconds googling something I clearly remembered from almost twenty years ago and doing some light arithmetic is precious time on God's Earth I can't afford to waste.
The distance is always within about 30AU ± 1AU, about 4.5 billion km, with a margin of error of ±3.3%. For a travel time of 2.8 minutes, that's less than 6 seconds off. So, yeah, the Earth's orbit is too small to matter much by comparison.
It's interesting that, when there is a 'changing of the guard'....i.e. when 'The Powers That Be' change....the ones who supplant the ones who came before set themselves up as, in effect, the 'new gods' who rule over every aspect of the franchise. They do as they please. BUT....it's not a perfect dictatorship, because they have to bow to ratings and make adjustments based on perceived needs from gathered feedback.
Kurtzman and company could have chosen to ignore the whole argument of whether Discovery was in the Prime timeline. But, they evidently felt enough pressure to address it by saying that it would be resolved in season two.
The internet, social media, and everything else about this enhanced communication age underscores the fact that what goes on behind the scenes is, in many ways, just as fascinating in its own right as the finished products themselves.
It also gives more exposure to the vocal, dissatisfied few over the rather silent majority, giving the producers the impression that they represent that majority. It's always been the case, but the internet has enhanced this effect.
The silent ones....and for this I am specifically referring to those who watch Trek regularly but who do not comment on it in public....represent an interesting demographic. It begs the question of what the results would be if an in-depth survey were to be conducted that preserved anonymity. Maybe a Trek study by a university or other institution.
But in the case of Discovery it would have to be done after the series had completed its run, rather than while it is ongoing or the results of the study would likely have very little value.
Between series might be interesting, though, and might even influence subsequent choices by TPTB.
Yes it can.
That's why I consider it more fun to accept that DSC is in the prime timeline. To see what kind of explanations I can come up with. To wit:
- The Klingons...that's easy. Either it's just normal racial diversity among their species, or the "Augment cure" went wrong. Or both.
- Uniforms? Hell, that's a no-brainer. Uniforms change all the damn time. Often within the same series!
- The D7: Also easy. Obviously that's not the Klingon term for the class, so it has to be something the Federation made up. And who's to say what it actually means? Could have nothing to do with appearance.
- Technology, like on the bridge: All it takes is somebody from another ship to visit and say something like "Hey, nice Mark III bridge! Rest of the fleet's still stuck on the old Mark I."
- The Enterprise: One word...REFIT. That's how they explained it in TMP, and that's how it can be explained now.
See? I AM using my brain. Just not the way you wanted.
Last edited:
The Enterprise-A makes if from Earth to Nimbus III to the center of the galaxy inside a day. I'd say transwarp drive was a success*.
*In Shane (Lora) Johnson's Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, it is surmised that the E-A was actually the renamed USS Ti-Ho, a transwarp testbed ship.
^ Conversely, the novelization of ST V suggests that the only reason the Enterprise-A made it to the galactic center was due to Sybok helping enhance the warp drive.
I thought he enhanced the shields? That is in the movie.
I was heavy into TREK Con's from the first one in NYC to the late 90's, and I remember distinctly Fans having numerous conversations all the time, about the TMP Klingon change.
The over all consensus became that the TMP Klingons were just an offshoot of the Klingon Empire that had come into power between "Turnabout Intruder" and "The Motion Picture" time periods.
IIRC, the noveiization has Sybok help with both shields AND warp.
Then they lost it again by VOY, which was 75 years away from Earth.
It is? Could you remind me of the line?
I can't like this enoughYes it can.
That's why I consider it more fun to accept that DSC is in the prime timeline. To see what kind of explanations I can come up with. To wit:
- The Klingons...that's easy. Either it's just normal racial diversity among their species, or the "Augment cure" went wrong. Or both.
- Uniforms? Hell, that's a no-brainer. Uniforms change all the damn time. Often within the same series!
- The D7: Also easy. Obviously that's not the Klingon term for the class, so it has to be something the Federation made up. And who's to say what it actually means? Could have nothing to do with appearance.
- Technology, like on the bridge: All it takes is somebody from another ship to visit and say something like "Hey, nice Mark III bridge! Rest of the fleet's still stuck on the old Mark I."
- The Enterprise: One word...REFIT. That's how they explained it in TMP, and that's how it can be explained now.
See? I AM using my brain. Just not the way you wanted.
It is possible I'm mistaken. Been a while since I've seen the movie.
Similar threads
