CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

[jespah]

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I've seen a ton of Schoolhouse Rock and I knew about this vignette but I never actually saw it until now. So, thanks!

And yeah, I think there's frustration at what can feel like a lack of consequences. Some people might feel they should make or at least precipitate consequences. Truth is, I think AP makes his own just fine without intervention.

 

[urbandefault]

Some people might feel they should make or at least precipitate consequences. Truth is, I think AP makes his own just fine without intervention.

Then there's our unofficial little fan club, called "We Who Laugh and Point."

 

[Sgt_G]

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Ah, the good old days when Pluto was still a real planet.

 

[dmac]

Ah, the good old days when Pluto was still a real planet.

It was the last chance pie shop to the stars. Everybody used to stop there

 

[dmac]

I would say that you can count me in the first group. Humans, being what we are, simply tire of being told what we know over and over. When the tellers cross the boundary of what is worthy of criticism ($1.4M) and what is not (coffee shop opened by friends), you alienate the first group (uh, me) and give ammunition for the second group to cry "persecution!" I'd say that's where we're at now.

Let's get back to our own adventures before Alec does us another favor....
Hey look fellows, you can make a perfectly exciting adventure in 60 seconds. It can be done, they do it in commercials all the time.

 

[Admiral2]

I've seen a ton of Schoolhouse Rock and I knew about this vignette but I never actually saw it until now.

It's one of my favorites.

And yeah, I think there's frustration at what can feel like a lack of consequences. Some people might feel they should make or at least precipitate consequences. Truth is, I think AP makes his own just fine without intervention.

Fair enough, but I humbly submit that he's not screwing himself over hard and fast enough for my tastes...

 

[urbandefault]

Schoolhouse Rock

I have the DVDs. Bought them for the grandkids, but they're not interested in that old folk stuff.

"Interplanet Janet" is one of my faves, along with "Lolly Lolly Lolly," "I'm Just a Bill," and of course, "Conjuction Junction."

 

[Admiral2]

I have the DVDs. Bought them for the grandkids, but they're not interested in that old folk stuff.

"Interplanet Janet" is one of my faves, along with "Lolly Lolly Lolly," "I'm Just a Bill," and of course, "Conjuction Junction."

To that I add "Verb!" and "Sufferin' until Sufferage!"

 

[CorporalCaptain]

They're all awesome.

 

[DrCorby]

My kids loved them! Helped them master their multiplication tables. Plus, they were exposed to a lot of other basic info on a wide range of subjects (history, science, economics, etc) that we followed up on while homeschooling. One of their favorites is "Three Ring Circus", about the 3 branches of the federal government. Heck, they still like to put on the DVDs occasionally. And the oldest is now in college...

 

[jespah]

This is TV they just don't make anymore. I'm a touch too old to have been a kid during Sesame Street -- but Zoom was right in my wheelhouse and I even went to college with a guy from it (and I'm FB friends with a couple of other Zoomers). Ubbie dubbie and all that.

 

[Admiral2]

I was partial to Electric Company myself. They tried to reboot it recently and I found it wasn't as good.

Of course, that might have something to do with me seeing the remake as a grumpy old man...

 

[dmac]

ooby Dooby? You hung out with one of Roy Orbison's "Teen Kings"??? That's so cool... lol

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[jespah]

I was partial to Electric Company myself. They tried to reboot it recently and I found it wasn't as good.

Of course, that might have something to do with me seeing the remake as a grumpy old man...

The original also had Morgan Freeman and Rita Moreno, among other greats.

 

[JD]

It's entirely possible that the organizers of a convention can know about the controversy and not care.

After all, AP's most devoted acolytes still think CBS and Paramount were in the wrong and conflate the lawsuit against Peters as an attack on fandom in general. I don't see why a convention organizer couldn't come in blind at this point, go over the documents of the case and read the opinions on both sides of the issue and come to the same conclusion. Or, they could think Peters was in the wrong but that the efforts of his detractors are overkill, trying to deprive Peters of the second chance that everybody deserves. Or, frankly, they see all the messages and ultimatums (ultimata?) as things to defy, because deep down grown human beings don't like to be told what to do by strangers on the internet.

So while I'm miffed that LFIM sullied another of my favorite fandoms with his presence at a convention, I realize that the organizers have to consider a thousand planning decisions before hand, and I can understand if at the time they thought the benefits of inviting AP outweighed any possible negatives.

"Generating Awareness" is a favored tactic of the activist, but it has its limitations.

Unless they invited him totally blind, I just don't see how anyone could possibly think the pros of inviting him outweighed the cons. Especially someone as sensitive to criticism as the guy who ran the Honorverse con seemed to be.

 

[RedForman]

And I think we're there because of one thing: AP didn't suffer any real consequence for any of his actions. He took more than a million dollars from fans who donated in good faith and wasted it without delivering what he promised, tried to make money off of IP owned by two giant corporations and then tried to convince those corporations that he had a right to do it because they weren't using it, and as Jedi_Master pointed out, this is just the latest incident in a long string of dick moves.

And yet, he still gets to make his fan film (he won't, but he can) and he still gets to go to conventions and act like a big shot.

So I can understand the frothers, cause here's a guy who went bankrupt with a licensed business and got sued over an unlicensed one, and there are still geniuses out there that want him to help them compete with Starbucks.

So, there are people on both sides of the debate who are just tired of it all, but the ones on the anti- side who are pedal-to-the-medal about it just want to see AP go down, hard, and learn enough of a lesson to shut up, stop putting his face everywhere and quietly go be a lawyer-by-training somewhere. (I know I do...)

But that's not happening, and the frothers are frothing because nobody can come up with a good way to make it happen.

Well said!

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

Unless they invited him totally blind, I just don't see how anyone could possibly think the pros of inviting him outweighed the cons. Especially someone as sensitive to criticism as the guy who ran the Honorverse con seemed to be.

I didn't think he was being sensitive. He rightfully thought that the anti-Axanar frothers were interfering with his convention.

 

[Admiral2]

Well said!

(takes bow) I thank you...

 

[RedForman]

I didn't think he was being sensitive. He rightfully thought that the anti-Axanar frothers were interfering with his convention.

He wasn't being sensitive, he was being intentionally ignorant and stupid. I'm willing to bet he knew exactly who Alec was and what kind of mess he was involved in. I could most definitely be wrong here, but I'm also willing to bet he had some hope that he could use Alec's attendance and parlay his notoriety into getting people and attention to his con. Rounding it all out, I'm sure he gambled that Alec's detractors wouldn't bother to continue to hound him.

LFIM's ego is still very much inflated and he's still out there playing the martyr after pulling off his own 'con'. Anyone who ropes them in to their orbit like this guy did sure as hell isn't going to get any sympathy from me (and really doesn't deserve any - you'd have to be living under a rock to not have known about him) if and when the anti-Axanar crowd comes calling like they did.

 

[JD]

I didn't think he was being sensitive. He rightfully thought that the anti-Axanar frothers were interfering with his convention.

I don't really see where anyone was interfering with his convention, other than one bad joke, which I believe the person later apologized for, every other comment shared in the stories on Fan Film Factor was completely justified. All I remember was people trying to tell him what Alec Peters had done. As soon as you invite someone like Alec Peters you have know that people are going to criticize him and you for inviting him.
Honestly at this point, I find it a little hard to believe anyone could be aware of who he is and not be aware of how people feel about him.
If it was me and I didn't know about him and he approached me to appear at my con, the first thing I would do is research him, and as soon as I saw what he did, I would tell him no. The only reason I would invite him is for the controversy, and in that case I would make sure that I am ready for whatever negativity came my way, I would not get upset when people crictized me and/or him, and would have a statement ready.