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star trek animated 4rth and 5th season of star trek??

If TAS is Trek canon at all (and there's little reason to think it would not be, and none to say it should not be)
The only reason for not considering it canon is Gene Roddenberry's statements about not considering it canon. But I tend to ignore that personally, he's just the creator, what would he know? ;)
 
The only reason for not considering it canon is Gene Roddenberry's statements about not considering it canon. But I tend to ignore that personally, he's just the creator, what would he know? ;)

Point taken. Of course he said a lot of stuff near the tail end of his Star Trek involvement.
 
Someone said the non-canonicity of TAS was mostly to do with intellectual property rights at the time, or something.

Kor
 
Filmation closed shop and, supposedly, was sold to the French division of L'Oreal, yes, the makeup company. (Don't ask me the logic behind all that!) Thus, the ownership of the material exclusive to the animated series (M'Ress, Arex, Vulcan "mountain lions", etc.) was in question. It was safer just to avoid including those elements in any "primary" production (TV series, movies, etc.) until the issue was resolved. It didn't help the cartoon's cause when Roddenberry started disavowing certain materials and his PA Richard Arnold took advantage of his position to "disown" it as he personally did not like the animated adaptation.
 
And of the 5YM: The Animated Series or Star Trek Continues?

FIGHT!
Actually, Phase II and ST continues together make a great additional season. I've only been able to watch the first couple of ST Continues but they are great.

You could probably slot the Animated series in between the episodes where Chekov goes off to security school.
 
No, and I'm a fan of the animated series. It is its own distinct thing.
 
Do you think the animated trek series is good enough to be considered the 4rth and 5th season>??
Nah, not really. A lot of the episodes are rather gimmicky and don't really add much to the ST Universe, IMO.

I accept bits and pieces of TAS, like the Spock backstory elements from "Yesteryear" or Robert and Sarah April, but as a whole... Not really.
End of the 5YM: The Animated Series or Star Trek Continues?
"The Final Mission" from the second DC Comics Star Trek Annual. :)
 
Point taken. Of course he said a lot of stuff near the tail end of his Star Trek involvement.
Yeah well as I said I don't necessarily take anything he said as gospel. I'm happy to make my own mind up what I consider canon or not.
 
A great series of cartoons agreed! I never used to accept it as canon but these days I'm more into it than ENT or DSC! And it has the original voices of many Trek alumni and writing talent as well so it must be canon!
JB
 
A great series of cartoons agreed! I never used to accept it as canon but these days I'm more into it than ENT or DSC! And it has the original voices of many Trek alumni and writing talent as well so it must be canon!
JB
There are definitely some good story concepts in there and although many of them weren't always well realised due to the limitations of the 1/2 hour format and the need to be able to sell it as "children's" television, I'm willing to forgive a lot for a good story.
 
The scenes where Kirk calls McCoy in sick bay and yet he's standing next to him in the picture have always baffled me! Why wasn't it caught?
JB
 
End of the 5YM: The Animated Series or Star Trek Continues?

FIGHT!
Star Trek Contiunues. To Boldly Go Part 1 and 2 make as good a transition into TMP as I can imagine. Honestly I think Continues is going to be a rarity that is watched as much as TOS reruns, years from now.
 
The scenes where Kirk calls McCoy in sick bay and yet he's standing next to him in the picture have always baffled me! Why wasn't it caught?
JB
So people could come up with an "in-universe" explanation.

Kor
 
^^^
Can all 79 live episodes, and 22 animated episodes be fitted into a five-year period? I think maybe not. Take for example The Paradise Syndrome where we need to account for at least a couple months of time for Miramanee's pregnancy. Then you need to take into account travel time between episodes, downtime for the crew, maintenance periods for the ship, etc.

In it my belief that in a long running episodic series it makes no sense to think that every episode happened in the same timeline. Instead almost ever episode happens in an alternate universe of its own, separate from the alternate universes of other episodes.

Also there is nothing that in TOS or TAS that says it happens during a five year mission. Kirk's narration in the opening credits of each episode puts that episode in a five year mission. But it doesn't specify whether that episode is during the save five year mission as other episodes. TOS and TAS could happen during two or more consecutive five year missions.

Kirk's statement in STMP about his five years out there facing the unknown implies that he commanded a starship for only one five year mission, unless he is somehow referring to his latest five year mission.

And then in Voyager season 7, "Q 2" Icheb's history of Stafleet mentions the end of Kirk's historic five year mission, implying that Kirk had only one.
 
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In it my belief that in a long running episodic series it makes no sense to think that every episode happened in the same timeline. Instead almost ever episode happens in an alternate universe of its own, separate from the alternate universes of other episodes.

I disagree with this premise. While there may be nothing specifically tying the five-year mission in Kirk's narration, there is also nothing in the episodes that preclude them from being part of that mission. And having each episode in it's own pocket alternity is just silly.
 
Upon this most recent re-watch, I've been intrigued by thinking season 1 is at least the 2nd year if not later of the 5 year mission. Plus maybe time between WNMHGB and the start of the 5 year mission.
 
The opening narration of TAS is the same as that used in TOS and thus refers to the Enterprise’s five year mission. Clearly the intention was that TAS was supposed to represent a continuation of the telling of the 5 year mission. Promotional info. from 1973 suggests the same. As for what point in the mission, we can assume it’s after the voyages depicted in TOS based on the appearance of new continuing characters. But as to what years specifically within the mission, as with most things Trek you can think what you wish and be as right or wrong as anyone else.
 
I've always assumed that the first number in Kirk's starlog is the actual year of his Trek! This idea only works if you view the episodes in stardate order though! So WNMHGB, Corbomite and Mudd all take place in the early days of the voyage! Notice that the first series starts with 1s and 2s and the second is 2s, 3s and 4s and the third is all 4s and 5s! As to how to reconcile TAS into that scenario, I have no idea! :lol:
JB
 
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