Terran Vampires, and how could you explain Sarek and Amanda?

[Mudd]

Me too, I like the idea that just being in another universe would somehow feel wrong but you wouldn't be able to exactly know what it was.

it's the universe with that Sinbad movie where he plays a genie, and the Berenstein Bears.

 

[BillJ]

it's the universe with that Sinbad movie where he plays a genie, and the Berenstein Bears.

Ah, the Mandela Effect. The catch-all explanation for people with bad memories.

 

[Nyotarules]

One thing that got me with Mirror Saru and his people; I get that your evil and thus you a) keep other races as slaves or b) eat other races, but why do they do both? Surely you would either decide they are animals and eat them or figure they are smart enough to serve you in a meaningful way and train them up. Eating your own slave caste seems weird to me. I mean more so than keeping sentient people as slaves and or eating sentient people with their own history and culture. Like you've got a slave which knows how to give the best back rubs or you've trained where all the silver ware is in the house and then you eat them and have to train another.

The transatlantic slave trade considered Africans cattle, in some cases, the female cattle they like to fuck from time to time.... bestiality or what? The Mirror universe just took it a step further, fuck em or feast on em.

 

[BillJ]

The transatlantic slave trade considered Africans cattle, in some cases, the female cattle they like to fuck from time to time.... bestiality or what? The Mirror universe just took it a step further, fuck em or feast on em.

But after you fuck them, you aren't losing all the work you put into them. You can put them right back in the field or whatever else you have them doing.*

If you eat them, that's it for whichever one you eat. You lose all the training you've put into it.

*I just want to make it clear I do not condone that kind of society of behavior.

 

[Nyotarules]

But after you fuck them, you aren't losing all the work you put into them. You can put them right back in the field or whatever else you have them doing.*

If you eat them, that's it for whichever one you eat. You lose all the training you've put into it.

*I just want to make it clear I do not condone that kind of society of behavior.

But when you have a galactic empire there is an endless supply of food and labour, the real life Earth version was limited to one continent, they 'only' had millions, it is why they encouraged reproduction with a little 'help' from the master. The average life span of a slave was not long.
The Terran empire has trillions of 'cattle'.

 

[BillJ]

But when you have a galactic empire there is an endless supply of food and labour, the real life Earth version was limited to one continent, they 'only' had millions, it is why they encouraged reproduction with a little 'help' from the master. The average life span of a slave was not long.
The Terran empire has trillions of 'cattle'.

But if you have all that cattle, there's no real reason wasting resources training someone for work and then eating them. The Kelpians could be kept in an environment where they eat and then are butchered.

 

[Nyotarules]

But if you have all that cattle, there's no real reason wasting resources training someone for work and then eating them. The Kelpians could be kept in an environment where they eat and then are butchered.

You expect sadistic, fascistic , xenophobic people to think and act logically. Bigoted people are not logical which is why they are dangerous.

 

[Kibbin]

But if you have all that cattle, there's no real reason wasting resources training someone for work and then eating them. The Kelpians could be kept in an environment where they eat and then are butchered.

This is my thing. It seemed that they were so eager to show how evil they are they couldn't be bothered to stop and add another alien to eat. Maybe horta or gorn. It just took them from evil to cartoon level of evil and not in the same way that earlier Trek treated the MU empire. I don't know, maybe that was the point. Over here we use horses for work or entertainment and don't eat them. (I know we've replaced a lot of the work horses do) so maybe we should be asking someone from somewhere where they are used for work and eaten. This could just be a western perspective. Dogs and horses and hawks and kestrels are work and entertainment animals; sheep and cows are food animals.

 

[Kibbin]

You expect sadistic, fascistic evil people to think and act logically.

If they're going to have a galaxy spanning empire that can keep back the Vulcans and Klingons and what not then yes. There has to be some logic and reason behind stuff even if it is evil logic and evil reason.

 

[Nyotarules]

If they're going to have a galaxy spanning empire that can keep back the Vulcans and Klingons and what not then yes. There has to be some logic and reason behind stuff even if it is evil logic and evil reason.

Even Kirk had to tell Spock the empire was illogical, and to think of the waste.

 

[Nyotarules]

This is my thing. It seemed that they were so eager to show how evil they are they couldn't be bothered to stop and add another alien to eat. Maybe horta or gorn. It just took them from evil to cartoon level of evil and not in the same way that earlier Trek treated the MU empire. I don't know, maybe that was the point. Over here we use horses for work or entertainment and don't eat them. (I know we've replaced a lot of the work horses do) so maybe we should be asking someone from somewhere where they are used for work and eaten. This could just be a western perspective. Dogs and horses and hawks and kestrels are work and entertainment animals; sheep and cows are food animals.

Horse meat was sold in the U.K during the war years, I think the French still eat them.

 

[Jinn]

Maybe Kelpians taste really good to Terrans, so eating them is something that only the very rich or powerful can afford

 

[XCV330]

This is my thing. It seemed that they were so eager to show how evil they are they couldn't be bothered to stop and add another alien to eat. Maybe horta or gorn. It just took them from evil to cartoon level of evil and not in the same way that earlier Trek treated the MU empire. I don't know, maybe that was the point. Over here we use horses for work or entertainment and don't eat them. (I know we've replaced a lot of the work horses do) so maybe we should be asking someone from somewhere where they are used for work and eaten. This could just be a western perspective. Dogs and horses and hawks and kestrels are work and entertainment animals; sheep and cows are food animals.

It isn't a stretch to imagine that the average empire subject eats whatever synthesized stuff is made to placate the plebs. Bread and Circuses.
Eating a sentient being is probably a delicacy for those at the highest levels.

 

[Kibbin]

Even Kirk had to tell Spock the empire was illogical, and to think of the waste.

Good point. Maybe this was a way of highlighting that. It just seemed a little over the top to me for them to do both to the same species.

Horse meat was sold in the U.K during the war years, I think the French still eat them.

I think the french do as I'm sure we got ours from them during our recent horse meat crisis and I'm not criticising them for it I'm saying that I could be a little culturally biased here and was asking for someone to give their opinion on that for that reason. It just feels like if you have a tasty meat you fatten them up not work them.

It isn't a stretch to imagine that the average empire subject eats whatever synthesized stuff is made to placate the plebs. Bread and Circuses.
Eating a sentient being is probably a delicacy for those at the highest levels.

But if they are so rare, so much of a delicacy why are they out in the fleet washing people. Maybe I'm really over thinking this. Maybe it was a sign that Mirror Burnham was a bit eccentric if not even a bit soft on the Kelpians. Maybe as I say I'm a being a bit too western. Maybe I need to rewatch the MU part of STD

 

[XCV330]

But if they are so rare, so much of a delicacy why are they out in the fleet washing people. Maybe I'm really over thinking this. Maybe it was a sign that Mirror Burnham was a bit eccentric if not even a bit soft on the Kelpians. Maybe as I say I'm a being a bit too western. Maybe I need to rewatch the MU part of STD

Why not? It's not like they're out having them dig rock quarries by hand or scrubbing down the dilithium chamber, nothing to make the flesh unpalatable. They're going to be around, might as well give them some light labor to do, keep their spirits up, that kind of thing.

 

[The Wormhole]

One thing that got me with Mirror Saru and his people; I get that your evil and thus you a) keep other races as slaves or b) eat other races, but why do they do both? Surely you would either decide they are animals and eat them or figure they are smart enough to serve you in a meaningful way and train them up. Eating your own slave caste seems weird to me. I mean more so than keeping sentient people as slaves and or eating sentient people with their own history and culture. Like you've got a slave which knows how to give the best back rubs or you've trained where all the silver ware is in the house and then you eat them and have to train another.

Since Saru is the only one who is seen working as a slave, maybe typical Kelpians are used as food, while Saru is Mirror Burnham's pet or something?

 

[Jinn]

Considering that Burnham is the Emperor's adopted daughter or something like that she probably ranks among the more powerful Terrans and can afford her own Kelpian.

 

[Hythlodeus]

mhmmmmm...horse meat Leberkäse...

I'm pescetarian for almost twenty years now, but I have to admit I really miss that

 

[dahj]

can afford her own Kelpian

For holidays and special occasion at the very least...

 

[Kor]

In cultures where dog is consumed, it's usually just certain breeds that are kept specifically for that purpose. Fido and Fifi don't become dinner. Likewise, I would think that generally, certain Kelpians would be trained to work as slaves, and others would be kept for food. Or Kelpians who get too old to continue working then become food.

This is kind of negated because MU Georgiou had Michael pick a Kelpian from among the slaves, and then that Kelpian wound up on the dinner table. Maybe that's just one of MU Georgiou's eccentricities as a powerful despot with unlimited resources, or a practice of the imperial household.

Kor