Early reviews have repeatedly suggested that the film should've been called The Wasp and Ant-Man because of Lilly's standout performance.
Marvel Phase 4 Will Introduce More Female Heroes - Kevin Feige
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That's kind of my take. That she was in the first film but now she's being tweaked like he was. It's development.
Honestly I don't care that it isn't called Wasp first and Ant-Man second. That's tedious in my opinion, however now she is established as the Wasp then by all means she can be lead in a title.
There wasn't strong audience interest in the Peggy Carter TV series. That doesn't mean necessarily, that would be no interest in a Carter appearance in a Marvel movie, especially if the character made a great appearance in a great Marvel movie, something we've seen time and again.
Glad Marvel doesn't think this way, we might never have gotten an Iron Man or Capain America movie and the MCU might never have gotten off the ground if they did. Marvel thinks less about name recognition or whether their characters appear "able to carry a series" among the general audience and more about creating great movies for obscure characters and how to introduce them into the general public's consciousness.
Although Fox probably has Doop's movie rights, hence why they couldn't make that film. It would have been their first choice otherwise, of course.
Sorry, couldn't think of an other obscure character other than the green spud.
Pretend I said Beta Ray Bill instead 
Agent Carter got cancelled more because ABC wanted her to be in a more mainstream show. That Conviction Lawyer one...which got cancelled in one season.
As for taking this long to do Captain Marvel, that was more because of Ike Perlmutter than anything else. He was constantly interfering with more progressive ideas at the MCU until Feige convinced Disney to remove him from the Movies. We'd have gotten Black Panther and Carol years earlier if not for him constantly shooting down the ideas. Heck, Maya Hansen was originally supposed to be the main villain of Iron Man 3.
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Yeah, the "biggest" and most "recognizable" to comic book fans. The general public knew very little of these characters prior to the release of the first MCU movies. But through brilliant casting, superb marketing, and most importantly, genuinely great movies, which generated great word of mouth, Marvel was able to bring fans who had never heard of these second tier characters into the theater, thereby turning the first MCU movies into blockbusters.
My point is that this same strategy could be applied to any of Marvel"s characters regardless of the lead character's gender. At this point, I doubt Kevin Fiege looks at any Marvel characters as being unable to carry a movie series, especially because of a character's gender.
"Second tier"? Hulk and Captain America?
They were household names before the movie. If your mom didn't know the Hulk and about Mr. McGee making him angry, then you're lying or she's one of very, very few.
Your second point is spot on, though. Marvel can pretty much do anything with any character they want and most likely be successful.
With this I completely agree, now that you've done a movie about a talking tree and sarcastic raccoon anythings possible.
As M'rk says though Hulk was possibly the biggest star Marvel has outside of the X-men and Spiderman thanks to the old t.v series. Cap has tried movies before and Iron man had done some runs on t.v already. Now were they well known or sometimes good runs. No. I had someone tell me when they found out we were getting an Iron Man movie that they knew Iron man, he was Spiderman's robot friend. The Captain America movies pre-MCU are terrible and show Cap travelling America in a mini van with a see through plastic shield. Joe Blogs on the street might not know much about these guys, they might think Bruce is called David and that Iron Man is a robot but they had heard of them. They still went for their biggest stars with most brand name both inside comic book shops and outside.
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Hulk and Captain America were known before, but they were known as jokes. 'Captain America' was a corny pop culture insult for dumb action hero types and the Hulk show may have been popular in the 80s but it didn't exactly age well and was followed by a movie that featured giant green poodles. These were not valuable properties.
As for Iron Man and Thor, if you asked the general audience to explain those terms pre-mcu without mentioning the word superhero, almost none of them would think of the marvel characters, even if they knew they existed. Iron Man was a black sabbath song and Thor was any one of dozens of different versions of the mythological character.
As for Iron Man and Thor, if you asked the general audience to explain those terms pre-mcu without mentioning the word superhero, almost none of them would think of the marvel characters, even if they knew they existed. Iron Man was a black sabbath song and Thor was any one of dozens of different versions of the mythological character.
Thor’s biggest claim to fame was a reference in Adventures in Babysitting until the movies.
Then why reboot the character after a movie flopped so recently. Why not give his spot on the team to ant-man (a movie that was pitched before Iron Man) or Mockingbird. These were not big characters like Spidy or Batman but Marvel went with the biggest names they had.
Cap might be corny pop culture but the average person on the street had heard of him by your logic. Same goes for Thor in babysitting adventures.
Ant-man was greenlit before Thor, iirc. Edgar Wright delayed it for years working on other things.
Reading through this thread it seems to have been quite cleverly designed to get a rise out of people, but in a way that is more subtle than people are used to. The first post brings up Star Wars for no reason whatsoever, just in case there are some Rey fans in this general channel. Note the skill here - the OP clearly specified that he is NOT a sexist, because trolling via racism or sexism is "going too far". When the Rey reference failed to get the expected rise out of people a pivot was needed, so a list of comics (some rather obscure) was made, along with a statement about one of the comics which was incorrect. When confronted with this mistake, the pivot was complete and the argument switched to whether or not comics are dead and gone.
I have to say this is a master class is subtle agitation, though the reaction from the people here was subdued, affecting the OP's fun.
I have to say this is a master class is subtle agitation, though the reaction from the people here was subdued, affecting the OP's fun.
Yeah I am both impressed by the effort, and also calling it out.We're used to his inane antics