Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?
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Because they drove Lucas out of the film making business. That's why. Youtube is flooded with films about how much Star Wars has been ruined, while touting their own self-made success because a producer mentioned "fan theory videos" once. They have an unearned platform and sense of entitlement to this property that disturbs on a number of levels.
Did Lucas ever actually say he retired because of all the fan criticism? I know many people believe it to be true, but don’t recall ever actually reading/hearing him say it.
Rick Berman isn't making films or TV anymore either. Perhaps you think that with him that's OK or less bad because you dislike more of his products so he deserved to fail (even though with his long run he also didn't fail).
I haven't seen them nor do I know how many of them there are but bashing online, including through videos, doesn't seem particularly unique to SW, there are many fans on forums and on youtube saying that DCCU is a disaster, a disgrace, should either be rebooted or just ended and not restarted.
I fail to see how criticizing something conveys a sense of entitlement over it other than having high expectations for it, which I think is a pretty good thing. Fans of most franchises feel entitled to getting a good product, even casual viewers somewhat feel that and so also complain when something is a letdown.
Let us not assume my state of mind, please. Thanks
When channels are posting multiple videos surrounding the same topic then I would say that it is significantly increased. When I watch DCCU videos, they usually say their piece and move on. That has not been my experience with SW channels.
Basing the content creators is entitlement. Complaining about a product is one thing. Going on and on about Rian Johnson, or Lucas, or Abrams ruining and raping childhoods is another.
The main criticism for Rick Berman isn't about disliking his work.....
That a thing has happened elsewhere has no bearing on it's acceptability, and an awful lot of those videos go a long way beyond simply criticising the film.
Same error keeps resurfacing throughout these debates, the assumption that one's own feelings are objectively true and represent "the fans".
You do realise don't you that the majority of those fans disagree with you, have been more than happy with her work and don't see it as a let down.
Many of us are in fact pretty ashamed of being associated with the behaviour we've been seeing.
Let us not assume my state of mind, please. Thanks
OK but then by your criteria Trekkies seem to be as overly demanding as SW fans since its executive producer (admittedly not its creator) isn't making new stuff, they did drive him away (although probably mostly by just not watching) from the franchise and from filmmaking generally.
Alright, I agree that bashing the creators is destructive and should be avoided. However, I don't think arguing they did a bad job and others could be better is bashing them.
They seem to be received about as well as the prequels, very mixed reception. Regardless, it's not a sense of entitlement over something to criticize it even if most fans disagree and like it.
They are.
But, that isn't what is being done. It's active hatred directed towards Kennedy, Johnson, Abrams and others for their work. That's not saying someone did a poor job. That's saying they are subhuman.
I would be hard pressed to think that "most fans" are criticizing it. Regardless, it is entitlement to demand people boycott the films, boycott Disney and other things I see oft repeated around various Star Wars sites, YouTube videos and the like.
It's not just criticism. That's the problem.
I haven't seen much of that but yes, that is and should be considered unacceptable.
Demanding that others do so does seem crazy (yeah, others will and do feel differently and will make their own decisions), suggesting that others who dislike or strongly dislike something stop watching it and giving the company money for it seems pretty reasonable.
This shit goes back for years. Ahmed Best tweeted today about his experience which, I was unaware, almost led him to take his life. I’m glad he’s found some happiness.
And had been stated elsewhere, Jake Lloyd went through some issues related to Star Wars too.
I don’t like the character of Jar Jar, but Best always seemed like a good guy. He loved the character of Jar Jar (At first, anyway) and really gave it his all in the movies. I don’t blame the performer for the poor choices here. I blame the director. But I also don’t go on mad tirades about how George Lucas raped my childhood either, so...
Again, it’s not Kathleen Kennedy that’s hurting things. It’s the entitled fan base. I may sound like a broken record, but damn, is the evidence coming by the bucketful.
And had been stated elsewhere, Jake Lloyd went through some issues related to Star Wars too.
I don’t like the character of Jar Jar, but Best always seemed like a good guy. He loved the character of Jar Jar (At first, anyway) and really gave it his all in the movies. I don’t blame the performer for the poor choices here. I blame the director. But I also don’t go on mad tirades about how George Lucas raped my childhood either, so...
Again, it’s not Kathleen Kennedy that’s hurting things. It’s the entitled fan base. I may sound like a broken record, but damn, is the evidence coming by the bucketful.
Disgusting, tsk tsk tsk.
So many examples of this, sadly. Sure, I've got my share of dislikes and 'protective fan' feelings (again, I get over myself), but I've not seen (nor felt) ANYthing like some of the venom I've seen in recent years via the internet. Damn, man.
I'll use Lucas as a personalized example. I feel that the guy's body of work is overrated and there were times in my life when I even felt that he 'rode on the shoulders of giants' and phoned it in. Have I ever felt the urge to verbally degrade George, to attack his ethnic makeup, sexuality, livelihood, and/or threaten his LIFE? Of course not. Hell, for all of my critiques, I'd be flattered as hell to meet Uncle George....I'd gladly buy him lunch and would be humbled that he made time for me. He (with help) gave me STAR WARS, ffs!
Topical example: Just mention the recent Ghostbusters flick. Better still, show a pic of the ladies in costume. Wait for it....5.....4......3......
Christ. I’d seen him talk about the effect of the TPM backlash before, and thought ‘made me shun attention, and hesitant to do silly voices for my kids bedtimes stories’ was bad enough. That news is just fucking heart wrenching.
And to think: the height of TPM in the public consciousness, was before ‘scream into the void’ platforms like Twitter and Facebook were the norm.
It isn't a suggestion though. It's a demand, and falls under the "No True Scotsman" fallacy because it pretty much does the whole "If you want Star Wars to succeed then boycott Disney." It's that type of behaviors, as well as what @Campe98 discussed, as well as Jake Lloyd, Kelly Marie Tran, and others who have been attacked. It isn't reasonable.
Dislike a film all you want, but it didn't ruin Star Wars and neither did the people making it.
I blame a sense of entitlement and it's not just Star Wars fan, it's all of fandom. We think that we deserve certain things from the products we love. But we don't. We don't deserve good movies, we don't deserve anything. We just watch it and we'll either like it or not. That's it.
If you don't like The Last Jedi, don't watch it. I don't like the prequels, but I don't harass the actors or crew. I don't harass the fans of the prequels either. I have a friend who likes them, mostly due to his mancrush on Obi-Wan. But he's one of my best friends and I try not to judge his terrible taste in movies too harshly, especially since I love the John Carter movie and know I don't have a leg to stand on either.
It really hasn't been mixed at all, that's the problem. It's been overwhelmingly positive and that fact has almost been lost, drowned out by the behaviour of a tiny minority whose response to being told otherwise is to become increasingly personal, insulting and abusive, thus hogging the centre stage in much the way small children do throwing tantrums.
Seriously?
You really believe what you are saying here? You actually believe this has been characterised by well thought out criticism?
When you have people basically giving up their careers, retreating from public life, developing mental health problems and considering suicide because of the way they are being treated by these insufferable little creatures? All because they didn't like a film?
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That is a redundant suggestion when you need to have watched something first to know if you like it or not
Frankly it's absurd to only entertain praise. Fans who wish to critique have just as much right to that reaction as anyone else.
Absolutely.
Demanding a person's head on a platter does not count as critique, though. Not in this century, at least.
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