Do you think Barclay and Troi had sex when they went on a date at the end of "The Nth Degree"?
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Man, talk about a direct allegory for the entire act of coitus -- I, like Riker, was hanging on her every word!
The real question is did Barclay have sex with the prostitute in the ancient west program that Alexander admits he helped create. This implies the shows writers when they wrote that joke also assumed that he must have been having sex before on the internet, most likely with the holo-recreations of the Troi in "Hollow Pursuit." I think the anser is no he never had sex with the real Troi but proably did with the "Goddess of Empathy."
Jason
Jason
The vibe of the writers strongly appears to be that Troi's interest is friendship and professional. So, no.
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No, I can't imagine anything sexual between Barclay an the real Deanna. They may have started some kind of friendship after that (as we could see on Voyager), but it never got sexual. But I'm sure, Barclay had a lot of different Troi-holoprograms for all his "needs" 
On DS9, Quark's holosuites always seemed to be especially for sex. Only the starfleet-crew used them for other kinds of games.
I remember, when Sisko was shocked to hear, that Jake used the holosuites with Nog - only to find out, that he just played baseball or something like that.
Some people here wondered, how a man like Barclay could get a "so much better woman" like Troi. Or even thought, Keiko was to good for O'Brien. I don't think so. On Star Trek, many strange kinds of relationships could happen. I'm not only talking about Leeta dropping Bashir for Rom (long before he became the mighty Nagus), but just think about Neelix and Kes. Kes, the sweet, young girl (in the Ocampa-age that can be compared with a 20 year old human), while Neelix had to be about 50 years old, and not really a man, every woman would want. But she was fascinated by his adventurous character. Barclay surely also had his positive sides (maybe his fantasies he showed on the holodeck...), so why shouldn't the "good" woman want him?
On DS9, Quark's holosuites always seemed to be especially for sex. Only the starfleet-crew used them for other kinds of games.
I remember, when Sisko was shocked to hear, that Jake used the holosuites with Nog - only to find out, that he just played baseball or something like that.
Some people here wondered, how a man like Barclay could get a "so much better woman" like Troi. Or even thought, Keiko was to good for O'Brien. I don't think so. On Star Trek, many strange kinds of relationships could happen. I'm not only talking about Leeta dropping Bashir for Rom (long before he became the mighty Nagus), but just think about Neelix and Kes. Kes, the sweet, young girl (in the Ocampa-age that can be compared with a 20 year old human), while Neelix had to be about 50 years old, and not really a man, every woman would want. But she was fascinated by his adventurous character. Barclay surely also had his positive sides (maybe his fantasies he showed on the holodeck...), so why shouldn't the "good" woman want him?
Well, it's probably fair to say he had romantic interest. He did eventually make a pass at her, when he had proper confidence, but the fawning over him thing itself could ultimately be just an ego stroke, similar to how he had snotty Wesley describing him in all his greatness. They're all programed to behave like he's a magnificent stud lol
Agreed ! I would even go further and say that it's pretty much the same thing IRL. There are all kinds of couples out there, no matter what the partners look like or what age they are. We should stop judging others and their relationships. Especially on such biaised premices as their outer looks or their illness. Troi is not "better" than Reg just because she hasn't anxiety.
I don't agree with people who dismiss the idea of a counselor being necessary aboard a starship. They have never dealt with traumata. And mental stability is essential to remain fit for service. Some people seem to belittle Troi's job. She is a good friend for Reg and helped him dealing with his issues despite his holodeck adventures. She encouraged him to go out meeting people in real life. People may refuse to see a counselor but could be ordered to talk to one, especially in the Command Track. Reg is still an expert for holograms. But I don't think that he used the Troi hologram ever again - out of respect for his friendship with Deanna. I can't speak for other holograms, though. And even Janeway recreated a hologram to suit her wishes.
And even Janeway recreated a hologram to suit her wishes.
We're living in a very psychophobic society, unfortunately. We keep being taught from a young age that mental disorders and trauma are bizarre, abnormal things and that we should be afraid of people with such conditions...People with psychosis can even be sent to a mental hospital without their consent and without any valid reason, just because their relatives are afraid of them...Very similar to what we used to be taught about homosexuality (when it was still considered an illegal deviance) 30 years ago...
So there's no wonder most people are still in denial when it comes to the importance of mental health care and counseling. The general attitude about trauma and psychosis is what I call the "Frozen mantra" : conceal, don't feel (and if it poisons you and makes you feel worst, shut up). People are trained from an early age to feel ashamed of their negative emotions, feelings and disorders. Even in day to day life, most people turn their back as soon as their interlocutor answers "I'm feeling bad" to the traditional "How are you ? ". Like sadness or fear were contagious, gross things one should never talk about...
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Well, fuck this tap-dancing around the issue: 2takesfrakes is a cunt who has the good fortune to suffer only from socially acceptable psychological disorders like narcissism and alpha-male psychopathy.
I don't agree with people who dismiss the idea of a counselor being necessary aboard a starship. They have never dealt with traumata. And mental stability is essential to remain fit for service. Some people seem to belittle Troi's job. She is a good friend for Reg and helped him dealing with his issues despite his holodeck adventures. She encouraged him to go out meeting people in real life. People may refuse to see a counselor but could be ordered to talk to one, especially in the Command Track. Reg is still an expert for holograms. But I don't think that he used the Troi hologram ever again - out of respect for his friendship with Deanna. I can't speak for other holograms, though.
I agree. I think the main reason that people found the idea of a counselor not being needed was in part because TNG humans are suppose to be perfect and thus they don't need any kind of mental health help. I also think he proably stopped using a Troi Hologram or and TNG character hologram after he became part of the family so to speak. I doubt he stopped having holo-sex though. That or the Enterprise had some of those famous Roddenberry love instructors and we simply never saw them.
Jason
McCoy was not the best Counselor. In TOS they helped each other with friendship. Psychiatrists were only for criminals with odd behavior.
That was I assume part of the way people thought about people with mental illness in the 60's. Mental illness means your crazy and dangerous. Friendship was the cure to helping dealing with all your problems or just keeping it inside and being strong willed. Of course even with more enlightened views you still have sterotypes. Basically everything comes down your mom or someone having daddy issues. People who get mental health help are no longer scary and dangerous. Instead your Woody Allen. Your eccentric and neuratic. Which as someone who doesn't fully believe in the concept of a "well adjusted human" or a "normal" person I guess it might be kind of true. I think everyone is a weird and unique life that has all sorts of interesting personal quirks. That's what makes us humans special. It's that their is no normal template for what a human being should be like. Or shouldn't be, anyways.
Jason
Sorry, man, no way around this.
Sorry, man, no way around this. Flaming warning earned and given.
The problem with Troi is that, not only was she always like Lt. Cmdr. Obvious ("I sense hostility, Captain!"), but she's a bridge officer.
I'm not disputing the necessity of caring for the crew's mental health, but does this character have to be on the bridge?
Aboard Titan she is mostly Chief Diplomatic Officer. She is still Head Counselor. Picard trusted her and embraced her input on the bridge. His new Counselor in the Relaunch novels stays away from the bridge like you suggest.
I suspect that the reason a counselor was on the bridge (not that she EXISTED, just the fact that she was a bridge officer) in TNG was because Gene had already slipped into New Age Psychobabble mode.
Marina was always very interested in keeping her job, she did what she was told and didn't cause problems, whilst all around her, the other female costars are dropping like flies, namely Crosby and McFadden. And it wasn't fair to let her sweat it out like that, she was a team player and wanted to contribute to the success of the product. The least TNG could've done was put her on the bridge, to keep her visible as a cast member.
She could have stayed in the series and not been on the bridge.
The captain could have called her up there when necessary for negotiations etc.
Dr. Milque Toast stayed on the series and she wasn't on the bridge, even though she was a Doctor she was support staff as should a counsellor be.
As for her bad lines mentioned above, it's what she was given to work with.
And when Isn't American Televsion written as "Captain Obvious"?
As for the actual individual's issues, meh, doesn't have much to do with what we see on screen.
